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Very good points RLW. There are also studies out there testing of numerous men at various ages regarding free t concentrations and the majority of  men age 20-30 are in the 10-14ng range. At 160mg per week 80x2 my free t was 35ng and total t was 1375ng at trough, thats just too damn much. I've asked every doctor I've had over the years on TRT, including 3 urologists, 2 endocrinologists, and 4 general physicians that have never measured anyone over 1000ng, even testing that was done for other disorders than hypogonadism. My current urologist which is 61y/o and been treating patients for 29 years states the vast majority of his patients over the years have had levels in the 400-650ng range. With that said I'm sure there are and have been men over the years with freakishly high t levels, but its certainly a small percentage. I'm by no means bashing TRT, honestly I feel like death off of it. I think it's great we can have a discussion like this on here without someone getting pissed or taking the post down. I just hope that more guys with experiences like mine can come on here to try to find a resolution to their problems without being criticized or having their post taken down.