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I'm a little confused by this still and I'm not questioning Dr. McClain or Dr. Saya's reasons but if you have antibodies isn't it automatic that your thyroid gland is getting attacked by those antibodies? I understood the relevence of TPO and TGBAb labs to be just that. So up till now I thought anytime someone had elevated antibodies the thyroid was getting attacked and we needed to find a way to stop that. And just to verify, elevated TPO and or TGBAb means Hashi's doesn't it? whether you are symptomatic or not?