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Possible to be healthy @ 250mg/week? What blood markers do you want to see?
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<blockquote data-quote="IronKnight" data-source="post: 258934" data-attributes="member: 17473"><p>This is an open challenge to explore the possibility of walking the enhanced boundaries, while keeping absolutely all possible negative TOT side effects in check, especially anything related to health.</p><p></p><p>The main question I am trying to answer via blood work, BP measurements, WIP lifestyle changes and a TOT protocol that I am still refining is:</p><p><strong>Is it possible to be healthy @ 250mg/week? What blood markers do you want to see?</strong></p><p></p><p>This blog post is inspired by:</p><p>1) The advice to <em>"lower the dose and hope for the best"</em> + <em>"calling 170mg/week a cycle"</em> on <a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/best-meds-to-improve-ejection-fraction-in-trt-users.26681/" target="_blank">this BP post</a> [ need to complete some final tests before I answer that one, stay tuned <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ]</p><p><strong>2) Stan Efferding's TOT protocol:</strong></p><p>Stan Efferding is on top of his blood work, blood pressure, etc. afaik has never had any CVD issue (unlike many other enhanced athletes that died, too many to name...) and his protocol appears to be the following:</p><p>TOT @ 300mg/week, injecting 100mg x3 / week MWF, trying to keep total T between 1000 and 1500, using testosterone proprionate to minimize aromatization.</p><p>^ From: [MEDIA=youtube]5YuEu2AaXNs:1003[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>My preliminary protocol is the following, but this will likely change slightly as I lose some fat in the next few weeks/months:</p><p><strong>Testosterone Enanthate @ ~250mg / week, injecting ~80-90mg x 3 / week TTS</strong> [ ~250mg/week is the real injected amount, based on my math on ampule loss, injection loss, the fact I get at least 2 extra shots when I preload syringes, etc. ]</p><p><strong>HCG @ ~390 IU x twice a week TT</strong> [ Lowered from x3 week previously, due to water retention and +20 increase in BP during refeeds on weekends ]</p><p><strong>Anastrozol @ 2mg/week TT </strong>[ because my E2 runs too high otherwise, even at lower 140mg/week doses, stay tuned for a bone density post <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ]</p><p></p><p><strong>Current Supplements & Meds:</strong></p><p>- 1/day x Temilsartan 80mg <strong>[ for BP, HCT, lipids, etc. stay tuned for blood work <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ]</strong></p><p>- 2/day x Nebivolol 2.5mg <strong>[ for BP, lowered from 5mg x2/day before, due to gastric reflux ]</strong></p><p>- 2/day x Doxazosin 2mg/2mg <strong>[ for BP ]</strong></p><p>- 2/day x Cialis 5mg <strong>[ for many reasons ]</strong></p><p>- 3/day x Astralogous (1xam/2xpm) <strong>[ for Kidneys ]</strong></p><p>- 2/day x NAC 750mg <strong>[ for Kidneys/Liver ]</strong></p><p>- 2/day x Aava Labs Omega3 (1xam/1xpm) [ 2 = 1000mg EPA + 500mg DHA ] <strong>[ for "general health" ]</strong></p><p>- 1/day x 100mg DHEA <strong>[ because DHEA was low in blood work ]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Other things:</strong></p><p>Citrulline Malate <strong>[ for NO ]</strong></p><p>Electrolites <strong>[ for fasting days ]</strong></p><p>MCT C8 Oil <strong>[ for first 2 fasting days / week, to ease the transition to Keto ]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Other things Before bed:</strong></p><p>1 x B complex <strong>[ always ]</strong></p><p>1 x 50mg pregnenolone <strong>[ always ]</strong></p><p>1 x 3mg boron <strong>[ always ]</strong></p><p>~3h before bed: 1000g Magnesium Citrate <strong>[ on fasting days only ]</strong></p><p></p><p>Open question to the ninjas in this forum:</p><p>Anybody willing to suggest improvements to the above and/or propose things to check to ensure this is done safely?</p><p></p><p>Before you ask:</p><p>I am on my own, my endo has no clue, etc. (the usual) but all of the above are either legit prescription meds (no black market BS) or supplements sourced from supposedly reputable companies (ofc, I have no equipment to check, but blood work will guide tuning).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IronKnight, post: 258934, member: 17473"] This is an open challenge to explore the possibility of walking the enhanced boundaries, while keeping absolutely all possible negative TOT side effects in check, especially anything related to health. The main question I am trying to answer via blood work, BP measurements, WIP lifestyle changes and a TOT protocol that I am still refining is: [B]Is it possible to be healthy @ 250mg/week? What blood markers do you want to see?[/B] This blog post is inspired by: 1) The advice to [I]"lower the dose and hope for the best"[/I] + [I]"calling 170mg/week a cycle"[/I] on [URL='https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/best-meds-to-improve-ejection-fraction-in-trt-users.26681/']this BP post[/URL] [ need to complete some final tests before I answer that one, stay tuned ;) ] [B]2) Stan Efferding's TOT protocol:[/B] Stan Efferding is on top of his blood work, blood pressure, etc. afaik has never had any CVD issue (unlike many other enhanced athletes that died, too many to name...) and his protocol appears to be the following: TOT @ 300mg/week, injecting 100mg x3 / week MWF, trying to keep total T between 1000 and 1500, using testosterone proprionate to minimize aromatization. ^ From: [MEDIA=youtube]5YuEu2AaXNs:1003[/MEDIA] My preliminary protocol is the following, but this will likely change slightly as I lose some fat in the next few weeks/months: [B]Testosterone Enanthate @ ~250mg / week, injecting ~80-90mg x 3 / week TTS[/B] [ ~250mg/week is the real injected amount, based on my math on ampule loss, injection loss, the fact I get at least 2 extra shots when I preload syringes, etc. ] [B]HCG @ ~390 IU x twice a week TT[/B] [ Lowered from x3 week previously, due to water retention and +20 increase in BP during refeeds on weekends ] [B]Anastrozol @ 2mg/week TT [/B][ because my E2 runs too high otherwise, even at lower 140mg/week doses, stay tuned for a bone density post ;) ] [B]Current Supplements & Meds:[/B] - 1/day x Temilsartan 80mg [B][ for BP, HCT, lipids, etc. stay tuned for blood work :) ][/B] - 2/day x Nebivolol 2.5mg [B][ for BP, lowered from 5mg x2/day before, due to gastric reflux ][/B] - 2/day x Doxazosin 2mg/2mg [B][ for BP ][/B] - 2/day x Cialis 5mg [B][ for many reasons ][/B] - 3/day x Astralogous (1xam/2xpm) [B][ for Kidneys ][/B] - 2/day x NAC 750mg [B][ for Kidneys/Liver ][/B] - 2/day x Aava Labs Omega3 (1xam/1xpm) [ 2 = 1000mg EPA + 500mg DHA ] [B][ for "general health" ][/B] - 1/day x 100mg DHEA [B][ because DHEA was low in blood work ] Other things:[/B] Citrulline Malate [B][ for NO ][/B] Electrolites [B][ for fasting days ][/B] MCT C8 Oil [B][ for first 2 fasting days / week, to ease the transition to Keto ] Other things Before bed:[/B] 1 x B complex [B][ always ][/B] 1 x 50mg pregnenolone [B][ always ][/B] 1 x 3mg boron [B][ always ][/B] ~3h before bed: 1000g Magnesium Citrate [B][ on fasting days only ][/B] Open question to the ninjas in this forum: Anybody willing to suggest improvements to the above and/or propose things to check to ensure this is done safely? Before you ask: I am on my own, my endo has no clue, etc. (the usual) but all of the above are either legit prescription meds (no black market BS) or supplements sourced from supposedly reputable companies (ofc, I have no equipment to check, but blood work will guide tuning). [/QUOTE]
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