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Persistent Low E2 symptoms lasting long after crash- Possible Solution or a little relief.
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<blockquote data-quote="RAS" data-source="post: 251833" data-attributes="member: 38954"><p>Hey - I suffered for years, with low E2 symptoms and normal to high levels of E2....</p><p></p><p>I m doing Estradiol Valerate injections. I had tried the cream, and found it to be mostly insufficient, or the dose was too low in the cream. From what I have read is that the Oral Estradiol Valerate gets into your liver and can cause issues and not that much actually gets into your system.</p><p></p><p>Today I am doing <u>a lot better</u>. I have adjusted my protocol last week, I was doing injections of Testosterone-CYP 90mg/week (30mgs M,W,F), to Testosterone-CYP 70mg every 3 days. This seems to be working a lot better, I may adjust the amount a little lower or keep it the same and do injections of test every 4 days. This is more of an art than one would think. I also adjusted my Estradiol Valerate injections from 2mg per day to 3mg per day. 2mg wasn't dong it, but that was also with injections every MWF so I want to give it a few weeks to see if I can lower the Estradiol Valerate back down to 2mg per day. </p><p></p><p>I will add that I also got back into the gym by adding Estradiol Valerate injections, it has made all the difference in the world. Before during a workout I would start to feel like complete garbage, and I wasn't sweating or over sweating, and my workouts sucked, it was pointless. No strength no drive, no nothing. For the past week it has been great. Some symptoms come back after a workout but usually go away after a few hours after some heavy lifting. I will say that over time I can feel some of the symptoms coming back, its like my body is almost getting rid of the estrogen. </p><p></p><p>I want to do some blood tests hours before my shot of Estradiol Valerate and then hours later to see what if anything has changed. My hypothesis is that the addition of Estradiol Valerate maybe increasing my SHBG thus giving the increase levels something to bind with, and that over time it lowers for some reason. Again just a hypothesis, as I have had pretty high E2 levels on the sensitive test yet the symptoms never went away What was notable durning these times is that my SGBG was around 4 or 5 L (range is 10 - 50). I have read that the introduction of external Estrogen can raise your SHBG levels over time</p><p></p><p>Mty symptoms are / were </p><p></p><p>Dehydration (Still present, but not thirsty weird)</p><p>Constipation (Big improvement)</p><p>Skin changes; pale gray-looking skin / Extremely dry skin. (Big improvement)</p><p>Brain fog / Activities took twice as long to complete. </p><p>Bloating / Gas (Big improvement)</p><p>Nausea (Comes and goes, maybe related to dehydration)</p><p>Metallic Taste in Mouth (Gone)</p><p>GI Issues (Big improvement)</p><p>Body odor changes (Still Present)</p><p>Changes in taste and smell (Big improvement)</p><p>Loss of Drive / Pleasure (Big improvement)</p><p>Indecisive / Unable to make decisions / Trouble concentrating (Big improvement)</p><p>Weak / No strength (Big improvement)</p><p>Testicular size changes (Tight to my body when symptoms are really bad) (Big improvement)</p><p>Lack of trust for others; jealousy, that bears no relation to reality (Gone)</p><p>Weight gain / Water retention / Bloated face (Big improvement)</p><p>Body temperature changes, early evening would get very hot and red faced. (Gone)</p><p>AM Sensitivity to cold temps. (Usually I run rather warm) (Barley Present)</p><p>Eye fatigue (eyes seem more tired, dark circles) Floaters (Big improvement)</p><p>Loss of vascularity (Big improvement)</p><p>Loss of muscle definition (Big improvement)</p><p>Decreased sexual libido /Sexual dysfunction / loss of erections. (Minor Improvement)</p><p>Tingling in hands (Big improvement)</p><p>Over sweating during activities / Not sweating (Big improvement)</p><p>Insomnia (Still Fing present)</p><p>Shaking / Trembling (Gone)</p><p>Its like a Constant Tension within my body (Gone)</p><p>Slow Healing (Still on going)</p><p>Fatigue along the lines of sleepiness (Gone)</p><p>Hypersomnia (sleeping too much and too often) (Gone)</p><p> </p><p>As you can se there has been a big improvement, and that I have been able to add more testosterone, thus eliminating most symptoms that low t causes. All this is still in its infancy stages as I want to be able to take a therapeutic testosterone dose and not have any low e@ symptoms. </p><p></p><p>The two symptoms that have not seen any changes are my appetite and the impact drinking alcohol has on me. I failed to mention these before as they just don't seem that important compared to the others, and at best are a minor inconvenience when looking at the bigger picture. </p><p></p><p>My appetite is still barley existent and alcohol does not have a the same affect if you will it once had before the crash. It actually takes a shit load more for me to feel any cognitive impact from alcohol, I can drink for hours and barley feel it, even though my BAC goes up, the impact is not there. Hangovers are a lot worse, again I think its just aggravating the dehydration of low E2. </p><p></p><p>Sorry for the extremely long reply just wanted to be as transparent as possible as this has crippled my life for years, personally and professionally. The amount of issues this has cost me would make most people gargle with drano.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RAS, post: 251833, member: 38954"] Hey - I suffered for years, with low E2 symptoms and normal to high levels of E2.... I m doing Estradiol Valerate injections. I had tried the cream, and found it to be mostly insufficient, or the dose was too low in the cream. From what I have read is that the Oral Estradiol Valerate gets into your liver and can cause issues and not that much actually gets into your system. Today I am doing [U]a lot better[/U]. I have adjusted my protocol last week, I was doing injections of Testosterone-CYP 90mg/week (30mgs M,W,F), to Testosterone-CYP 70mg every 3 days. This seems to be working a lot better, I may adjust the amount a little lower or keep it the same and do injections of test every 4 days. This is more of an art than one would think. I also adjusted my Estradiol Valerate injections from 2mg per day to 3mg per day. 2mg wasn't dong it, but that was also with injections every MWF so I want to give it a few weeks to see if I can lower the Estradiol Valerate back down to 2mg per day. I will add that I also got back into the gym by adding Estradiol Valerate injections, it has made all the difference in the world. Before during a workout I would start to feel like complete garbage, and I wasn't sweating or over sweating, and my workouts sucked, it was pointless. No strength no drive, no nothing. For the past week it has been great. Some symptoms come back after a workout but usually go away after a few hours after some heavy lifting. I will say that over time I can feel some of the symptoms coming back, its like my body is almost getting rid of the estrogen. I want to do some blood tests hours before my shot of Estradiol Valerate and then hours later to see what if anything has changed. My hypothesis is that the addition of Estradiol Valerate maybe increasing my SHBG thus giving the increase levels something to bind with, and that over time it lowers for some reason. Again just a hypothesis, as I have had pretty high E2 levels on the sensitive test yet the symptoms never went away What was notable durning these times is that my SGBG was around 4 or 5 L (range is 10 - 50). I have read that the introduction of external Estrogen can raise your SHBG levels over time Mty symptoms are / were Dehydration (Still present, but not thirsty weird) Constipation (Big improvement) Skin changes; pale gray-looking skin / Extremely dry skin. (Big improvement) Brain fog / Activities took twice as long to complete. Bloating / Gas (Big improvement) Nausea (Comes and goes, maybe related to dehydration) Metallic Taste in Mouth (Gone) GI Issues (Big improvement) Body odor changes (Still Present) Changes in taste and smell (Big improvement) Loss of Drive / Pleasure (Big improvement) Indecisive / Unable to make decisions / Trouble concentrating (Big improvement) Weak / No strength (Big improvement) Testicular size changes (Tight to my body when symptoms are really bad) (Big improvement) Lack of trust for others; jealousy, that bears no relation to reality (Gone) Weight gain / Water retention / Bloated face (Big improvement) Body temperature changes, early evening would get very hot and red faced. (Gone) AM Sensitivity to cold temps. (Usually I run rather warm) (Barley Present) Eye fatigue (eyes seem more tired, dark circles) Floaters (Big improvement) Loss of vascularity (Big improvement) Loss of muscle definition (Big improvement) Decreased sexual libido /Sexual dysfunction / loss of erections. (Minor Improvement) Tingling in hands (Big improvement) Over sweating during activities / Not sweating (Big improvement) Insomnia (Still Fing present) Shaking / Trembling (Gone) Its like a Constant Tension within my body (Gone) Slow Healing (Still on going) Fatigue along the lines of sleepiness (Gone) Hypersomnia (sleeping too much and too often) (Gone) As you can se there has been a big improvement, and that I have been able to add more testosterone, thus eliminating most symptoms that low t causes. All this is still in its infancy stages as I want to be able to take a therapeutic testosterone dose and not have any low e@ symptoms. The two symptoms that have not seen any changes are my appetite and the impact drinking alcohol has on me. I failed to mention these before as they just don't seem that important compared to the others, and at best are a minor inconvenience when looking at the bigger picture. My appetite is still barley existent and alcohol does not have a the same affect if you will it once had before the crash. It actually takes a shit load more for me to feel any cognitive impact from alcohol, I can drink for hours and barley feel it, even though my BAC goes up, the impact is not there. Hangovers are a lot worse, again I think its just aggravating the dehydration of low E2. Sorry for the extremely long reply just wanted to be as transparent as possible as this has crippled my life for years, personally and professionally. The amount of issues this has cost me would make most people gargle with drano. [/QUOTE]
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