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Testosterone Side Effect Management
Perplexing result.. thoughts?
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<blockquote data-quote="R2D2" data-source="post: 214513" data-attributes="member: 38143"><p>Thanks [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER] and apologies for the 'very' delayed response:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am certainly experiencing more of these side effects since reducing my dosage further (see below); however, I can't confirm whether it is correlated with Prolactin as I didn't get it measured (which I will do in future and ensure that I fast and refrain from sexual activity to gain an accurate reading). I'm hoping previous results were an anomoly. That said, reduced libido has been a lasting issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>On the same protocol, but testing at 1800 in September '21 (which is the suggestive peak reading):</strong></p><p></p><p>Albumin 48 g/L (Range: 34 - 50)</p><p>SHBG 25 nmol/L (Range: 16 - 55)</p><p>Oestradiol <strong>128</strong> pmol/L (Range: < 192)</p><p>Testosterone 33.7 nmol/L (Range: 7.6 - 31.4)</p><p>Free Testosterone - Calc. 0.857 nmol/L (Range: 0.2 - 0.62)</p><p>Free Androgen Index 134.8 (Range: 24 - 104)</p><p>Prolactin 128 mIU/L (Range: 86 - 324)</p><p>DHEA Sulphate 8.7 umol/L (Range: 0.44 - 13.4)</p><p></p><p>- Compared to the 0830 result (in original post) and 1800 result here, T range = 33.7 - 24 = 9.7 nmol/L (29% variation). My aim is to target a 20-25% variation.</p><p>- The prolactin result is much better. Oestradiol is also lower but still too high and somewhat unexpected? If I'm understanding your post, we'd expect both T and E to be higher at 6pm? Is that correct? </p><p></p><p><strong>Changes to protocol since then:</strong></p><p>- Reduced Propionate by 20% (from 4.15mg after ester to 3.32mg)</p><p>- Total Dose: 3.32 Prop + 4.5mg Enan = 7.82mg after ester (vs. 8.65mg previously)</p><p></p><p><strong>AM Result (Nov '21):</strong></p><p>Oestradiol 201 pmol/L (Range: 41-159) </p><p>Testosterone 21.9 nmol/L (Range: 8.64 - 29)</p><p><em>Note: reference ranges have changed vs last tests having me wonder whether the lab performing the test has changed.. </em></p><p></p><p><strong>PM Result (Nov '21):</strong></p><p>Oestradiol 173 pmol/L (Range: 41-159) </p><p>Testosterone 29.9 nmol/L (Range: 8.64 - 29)</p><p></p><p>Qualitative results: Less anxiety and acne but also much less energy. Morning wood awful. Observe E is again higher in am than it is in PM. Again too high.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Questions:</strong></p><p></p><p>1. I have since changed the protocol, reducing the Propionate further (by 50% or 1.66mg after ester) but also increasing the Enanthate from 4.5mg to 7.2mg thus a total of 8.86mg after the ester is removed. It's been about 6 weeks and I haven't been well - fatigue, lethargy, essentially low T symptoms. I can't quite make sense of it. My circadian rythm is quite disrupted and libido is virtually non existent. Can you think of why I may be experiencing this phenomenon? Many folks are fine with Enanthate alone, so I don't quite know why I'm having issues</p><p></p><p>2. In the results above, particularly Nov '21, my Testosterone is in range, however E is very high. Given that my Testosterone isn't at a supraphysiological levels, why might my E be so high? Is this normal? Could the blend be contributing to this issue in some way? </p><p></p><p>3. Where do I go from here? I have been looking for a reliable clinic in the UK but not yet successful. Those I have found are somewhat generic, will insist that I drop the propionate entirely, and aren't going to suggest that I do anything starkly different to what I'm already doing independently. Not quite sure what to do. </p><p></p><p>Thanks again,</p><p>R2</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="R2D2, post: 214513, member: 38143"] Thanks [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER] and apologies for the 'very' delayed response: I am certainly experiencing more of these side effects since reducing my dosage further (see below); however, I can't confirm whether it is correlated with Prolactin as I didn't get it measured (which I will do in future and ensure that I fast and refrain from sexual activity to gain an accurate reading). I'm hoping previous results were an anomoly. That said, reduced libido has been a lasting issue. [B]On the same protocol, but testing at 1800 in September '21 (which is the suggestive peak reading):[/B] Albumin 48 g/L (Range: 34 - 50) SHBG 25 nmol/L (Range: 16 - 55) Oestradiol [B]128[/B] pmol/L (Range: < 192) Testosterone 33.7 nmol/L (Range: 7.6 - 31.4) Free Testosterone - Calc. 0.857 nmol/L (Range: 0.2 - 0.62) Free Androgen Index 134.8 (Range: 24 - 104) Prolactin 128 mIU/L (Range: 86 - 324) DHEA Sulphate 8.7 umol/L (Range: 0.44 - 13.4) - Compared to the 0830 result (in original post) and 1800 result here, T range = 33.7 - 24 = 9.7 nmol/L (29% variation). My aim is to target a 20-25% variation. - The prolactin result is much better. Oestradiol is also lower but still too high and somewhat unexpected? If I'm understanding your post, we'd expect both T and E to be higher at 6pm? Is that correct? [B]Changes to protocol since then:[/B] - Reduced Propionate by 20% (from 4.15mg after ester to 3.32mg) - Total Dose: 3.32 Prop + 4.5mg Enan = 7.82mg after ester (vs. 8.65mg previously) [B]AM Result (Nov '21):[/B] Oestradiol 201 pmol/L (Range: 41-159) Testosterone 21.9 nmol/L (Range: 8.64 - 29) [I]Note: reference ranges have changed vs last tests having me wonder whether the lab performing the test has changed.. [/I] [B]PM Result (Nov '21):[/B] Oestradiol 173 pmol/L (Range: 41-159) Testosterone 29.9 nmol/L (Range: 8.64 - 29) Qualitative results: Less anxiety and acne but also much less energy. Morning wood awful. Observe E is again higher in am than it is in PM. Again too high. [B]Questions:[/B] 1. I have since changed the protocol, reducing the Propionate further (by 50% or 1.66mg after ester) but also increasing the Enanthate from 4.5mg to 7.2mg thus a total of 8.86mg after the ester is removed. It's been about 6 weeks and I haven't been well - fatigue, lethargy, essentially low T symptoms. I can't quite make sense of it. My circadian rythm is quite disrupted and libido is virtually non existent. Can you think of why I may be experiencing this phenomenon? Many folks are fine with Enanthate alone, so I don't quite know why I'm having issues 2. In the results above, particularly Nov '21, my Testosterone is in range, however E is very high. Given that my Testosterone isn't at a supraphysiological levels, why might my E be so high? Is this normal? Could the blend be contributing to this issue in some way? 3. Where do I go from here? I have been looking for a reliable clinic in the UK but not yet successful. Those I have found are somewhat generic, will insist that I drop the propionate entirely, and aren't going to suggest that I do anything starkly different to what I'm already doing independently. Not quite sure what to do. Thanks again, R2 [/QUOTE]
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