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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Oxandrolone and Nandrolone (common availability)
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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 227329" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Amazing reply, very thorough. So 30mg of tren messed with ur labs that much huh? I didn’t realize such a low dose could effect things so negatively. I’m still an advocate for people doing whatever they feel is the best balance of happiness and longevity that suits their life and goals, but I definitely agree that knowledge is power, and ideally more research should be done on these compounds. But obv not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. I’m all about people educating themselves to the best of their ability, and then making whatever decision they feel is best for themselves and their goals.</p><p></p><p>What dose of Oxandrolone did u use when u were doing low doses? I used 15mg/ day for a few months, but it dropped my SHBG lower than I like it. Dropped it to 11 from 33. I like to keep it in the high 20’s to low 30’s if I can. Didn’t really effect my lipids that bad tho. And didn’t negatively effect my liver or kidney labs much.</p><p></p><p>I don’t really see Winstrol being that great of a compound to use indefinitely as part of an HRT protocol. Probably too harsh on lipids for the benefits u get. But would obv support anyone that used it in small doses if the pros outweighed the cons for them</p><p></p><p>I definitely can see the pros of low dose nandrolone far outweighing any possible negatives. Nandrolone is a compound I can definitely see being used indefinitely with HRT. Do u disagree just because of the studies u’ve seen on it not looking too favorable with long term use? I personally don’t really put much weight into studies done on nandrolone, and have seen/ heard of so many positive anecdotes using it that for me, the pros far outweigh any “possible” cons, like I mentioned, when taking dosages around 50-100mg/ week. Possibly a little higher at 125-150mg/ week if needed to achieve benefits like joint/ pain relief</p><p></p><p>Primo seems to be the safest compound, with the best pros to cons ratio, right after test. While keeping the dose relatively low obv. I definitely can see primo being a beneficial compound to use indefinitely in an HRT protocol. I’ve seen guys post labs using even moderate dose of primo, and their labs were either mostly unaffected, or effected very little. Primo seems like a very benign compound when it comes to side effects and negative effects on labs/ health markers, when used in low to moderate doses.</p><p></p><p>And I’d argue that most people can easily use up to 300mg of test per week if they wanted, and still keep all their labs and health markers very healthy. Just takes more effort with being strict with diet, sleep and exercise the higher u go obv. But test is a very easy compound to use and keep health markers in a healthy range, within reason. Once u start going higher than 300 or 350 with test, it’s obv gonna become increasingly more difficult, but not impossible. But 300mg and below is easy to keep health markers within range for most guys, as long as ur on top of all other lifestyle factors. Mainly diet, exercise routine and sleep.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 227329, member: 15043"] Amazing reply, very thorough. So 30mg of tren messed with ur labs that much huh? I didn’t realize such a low dose could effect things so negatively. I’m still an advocate for people doing whatever they feel is the best balance of happiness and longevity that suits their life and goals, but I definitely agree that knowledge is power, and ideally more research should be done on these compounds. But obv not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. I’m all about people educating themselves to the best of their ability, and then making whatever decision they feel is best for themselves and their goals. What dose of Oxandrolone did u use when u were doing low doses? I used 15mg/ day for a few months, but it dropped my SHBG lower than I like it. Dropped it to 11 from 33. I like to keep it in the high 20’s to low 30’s if I can. Didn’t really effect my lipids that bad tho. And didn’t negatively effect my liver or kidney labs much. I don’t really see Winstrol being that great of a compound to use indefinitely as part of an HRT protocol. Probably too harsh on lipids for the benefits u get. But would obv support anyone that used it in small doses if the pros outweighed the cons for them I definitely can see the pros of low dose nandrolone far outweighing any possible negatives. Nandrolone is a compound I can definitely see being used indefinitely with HRT. Do u disagree just because of the studies u’ve seen on it not looking too favorable with long term use? I personally don’t really put much weight into studies done on nandrolone, and have seen/ heard of so many positive anecdotes using it that for me, the pros far outweigh any “possible” cons, like I mentioned, when taking dosages around 50-100mg/ week. Possibly a little higher at 125-150mg/ week if needed to achieve benefits like joint/ pain relief Primo seems to be the safest compound, with the best pros to cons ratio, right after test. While keeping the dose relatively low obv. I definitely can see primo being a beneficial compound to use indefinitely in an HRT protocol. I’ve seen guys post labs using even moderate dose of primo, and their labs were either mostly unaffected, or effected very little. Primo seems like a very benign compound when it comes to side effects and negative effects on labs/ health markers, when used in low to moderate doses. And I’d argue that most people can easily use up to 300mg of test per week if they wanted, and still keep all their labs and health markers very healthy. Just takes more effort with being strict with diet, sleep and exercise the higher u go obv. But test is a very easy compound to use and keep health markers in a healthy range, within reason. Once u start going higher than 300 or 350 with test, it’s obv gonna become increasingly more difficult, but not impossible. But 300mg and below is easy to keep health markers within range for most guys, as long as ur on top of all other lifestyle factors. Mainly diet, exercise routine and sleep. [/QUOTE]
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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Oxandrolone and Nandrolone (common availability)
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