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Osteoarthritis and adding nandrolone to TRT
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<blockquote data-quote="Guided_by_Voices" data-source="post: 221547" data-attributes="member: 15235"><p>Very interesting commentary here…My 2 cents on several points…</p><p></p><p>Regarding stem cells, I think a big part of the problem with stem cells (besides the very high degree of scamsterism) is that even reputable stem cell outfits often focus exclusively on stem cells rather than combining them with other things like HGH, TB4 etc. that are likely also necessary to maximize the chances of success. As one of the more sensible Docs says, injecting stem cells into someone with poor growth factors is like planting seeds in sand. Also, some of the less-reputable outfits are not candid with their patients about who is a good candidate and who is not. Apparently larger meniscus tears are an example of things which are not good candidates because the span in the tear is simply too large to fill.</p><p></p><p>Regarding heavier lifting leading to “more wear and tear and joint damage”, in my experience and observation, joint damage is predominantly due to poor form, going to failure (where form almost always degrades) and a range of motion which is too short (usually seen with leg work) or too long (dips or loading the back in an overly extended position) . Running and walking involve almost no loading other than body weight however I would say at least half of causal runners have one foot pointed out and many people walk with one or both feet pointed out (or less frequently pointed in) both of which are very damaging to joints as the book of Pete Egoscue discuss. Done properly, I would argue that (within reason) heavier weights and the overall sturdiness/body-integrity that come with them are actually beneficial for the joints.</p><p></p><p>Regarding going to lighter weights, somewhat higher reps may help reduce joint stress (only if proper form is used), however if lighter weights result in a loss of strength, they will soon be heavy weights which can lead to form degradation which will then start the cycle of decline all over again. Two things which have helped me are stopping a set before I have to “grind out” a rep and upping my total volume while still using near-maximal weights by, for example, doing something like eight sets of three for my work sets. Bottom line, nothing will overcome poor form,</p><p></p><p>Regarding whether Nandrolone simply masks pain, the best explanation I have heard for why Nandrolone benefits joint pain is that it tends to have a water-retaining affect which creates a cushioning/expansion affect in the joints, as opposed to DHT-related compounds which tend to have a drying affect, so that is more than just masking pain. Also, masking pain is not necessarily a bad thing. Ibuprofen can be said to both mask pain but also reduce inflammation which may be a partial root cause fix, however if masking the pain allows you to work the joint to get blood flow into it (as BigTex correctly points out) that in itself can have a root cause benefit, and strengthening the muscle around the joint generally improves joint integrity as well, so masking can have indirect benefits.</p><p></p><p>Regarding cycling Nandrolone, as I’ve pointing out in a another thread, many people equate Deca and Nandrolone, however for those who have access to NPP (the short ester version of Nandrolone) doing one injection a week can effectively let the body have a 3-days-on-4-days-off pattern every week.</p><p></p><p>And slightly off-topic, but speaking of the great Fred Hatfield, that reminds me to add back in some high-bar squats. I got great benefit from those many years ago although they seemed to aggravate my back, but hopefully using more of a front-squat-like foot placement will prevent that now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guided_by_Voices, post: 221547, member: 15235"] Very interesting commentary here…My 2 cents on several points… Regarding stem cells, I think a big part of the problem with stem cells (besides the very high degree of scamsterism) is that even reputable stem cell outfits often focus exclusively on stem cells rather than combining them with other things like HGH, TB4 etc. that are likely also necessary to maximize the chances of success. As one of the more sensible Docs says, injecting stem cells into someone with poor growth factors is like planting seeds in sand. Also, some of the less-reputable outfits are not candid with their patients about who is a good candidate and who is not. Apparently larger meniscus tears are an example of things which are not good candidates because the span in the tear is simply too large to fill. Regarding heavier lifting leading to “more wear and tear and joint damage”, in my experience and observation, joint damage is predominantly due to poor form, going to failure (where form almost always degrades) and a range of motion which is too short (usually seen with leg work) or too long (dips or loading the back in an overly extended position) . Running and walking involve almost no loading other than body weight however I would say at least half of causal runners have one foot pointed out and many people walk with one or both feet pointed out (or less frequently pointed in) both of which are very damaging to joints as the book of Pete Egoscue discuss. Done properly, I would argue that (within reason) heavier weights and the overall sturdiness/body-integrity that come with them are actually beneficial for the joints. Regarding going to lighter weights, somewhat higher reps may help reduce joint stress (only if proper form is used), however if lighter weights result in a loss of strength, they will soon be heavy weights which can lead to form degradation which will then start the cycle of decline all over again. Two things which have helped me are stopping a set before I have to “grind out” a rep and upping my total volume while still using near-maximal weights by, for example, doing something like eight sets of three for my work sets. Bottom line, nothing will overcome poor form, Regarding whether Nandrolone simply masks pain, the best explanation I have heard for why Nandrolone benefits joint pain is that it tends to have a water-retaining affect which creates a cushioning/expansion affect in the joints, as opposed to DHT-related compounds which tend to have a drying affect, so that is more than just masking pain. Also, masking pain is not necessarily a bad thing. Ibuprofen can be said to both mask pain but also reduce inflammation which may be a partial root cause fix, however if masking the pain allows you to work the joint to get blood flow into it (as BigTex correctly points out) that in itself can have a root cause benefit, and strengthening the muscle around the joint generally improves joint integrity as well, so masking can have indirect benefits. Regarding cycling Nandrolone, as I’ve pointing out in a another thread, many people equate Deca and Nandrolone, however for those who have access to NPP (the short ester version of Nandrolone) doing one injection a week can effectively let the body have a 3-days-on-4-days-off pattern every week. And slightly off-topic, but speaking of the great Fred Hatfield, that reminds me to add back in some high-bar squats. I got great benefit from those many years ago although they seemed to aggravate my back, but hopefully using more of a front-squat-like foot placement will prevent that now. [/QUOTE]
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