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Osteoarthritis and adding nandrolone to TRT
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<blockquote data-quote="Pacman" data-source="post: 220969" data-attributes="member: 2450"><p>Roughly 180 T, and 70 N. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You inject only every 10 days, and you feel good with such an infrequent injection? Are you injecting a very long ester? </p><p></p><p>I used to inject once a week (cypionate), and when I switched it over to every 3 days (cypionate) my sex drive and moods were a million times better, and that was at a reduced total dosage!</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is what your doctor told you? This is such a strange thing to say from a medical/physiological perspective. I am not going to suggest not listening to a doctor, but if this is what your doctor said I'd at least get a second opinion from another doctor (preferably a sports medicine doctor).</p><p></p><p>Weight training of the sort that builds muscle doesn't really work on the joint support muscles, the ones that support your shoulder. The rotator cuff muscles are the muscles that support the stability of your shoulder. And yes they are being used in the process of weight training, but classic lateral raises, rear delt raises, military presses, etc etc don't improve the rotator cuff muscles. </p><p></p><p>Physical therapists (they are all about joint and tendon health) have completely different exercise protocols if the goal is joint health and/or rehabilitation. If bodybuilding would improve joint health and joint support muscles, joint problems would not be such a common issue in the bodybuilding world.</p><p></p><p>Improving ROM is also a completely different type of exercise program if increased ROM is the main goal. Check out Functional Range Conditioning, it will change your life: <a href="https://functionalanatomyseminars.com/frs-system/functional-range-conditioning/fr-conditioning-principles/" target="_blank">FRC® Principles | Functional Anatomy Seminars</a></p><p></p><p>How can your doctor be shocked that after many years of bodybuilding style training you have joint issues? That is literally one of the most common issues in bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is terrible for the joints. (Just to be clear, I am referring to the old school type of bodybuilding where you go above and beyond what your body can handle, not regular resistance/weight training and just generally keeping in shape. And if you were taking 600mg/wk deca in the 80s, you are probably in the old school bodybuilding group). I am in the same group btw, I am not ripping on you or anything. I love bodybuilding so much, but I am starting to pay a price because of it. </p><p></p><p>Resistance training is very important, and will prevent muscular atrophy, but bodybuilding is not going to save your shoulder joint from osteoarthritis or prevent general loss of ROM beyond a very basic level. It might even exacerbate the issues, that also depends on your form of course.</p><p></p><p>Here's a good video from Scooby on this topic: [MEDIA=youtube]Klujlu8s1O4[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>This is constructive criticism btw (of your doctor, not you). I am suffering now in multiple joints (left shoulder and right elbow), and I just don't want others to suffer the same way. It is fucking hell, because I love the gym.</p><p></p><p>The worst thing about osteoarthitis is once you have it, you are stuck with it, since it is essentially deterioration of the cartilage in the joint capsule that prevents bones from rubbing on each other. And cartilage does not grow back, and so far medical science does not have a way to replace it or artificially grow it back. The scientist who comes up with a method of restoring cartilage will become an overnight billionare. I'd certainly pay whatever price he demands to restore my shoulder to optimum health (and my elbow for that matter).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pacman, post: 220969, member: 2450"] Roughly 180 T, and 70 N. You inject only every 10 days, and you feel good with such an infrequent injection? Are you injecting a very long ester? I used to inject once a week (cypionate), and when I switched it over to every 3 days (cypionate) my sex drive and moods were a million times better, and that was at a reduced total dosage! This is what your doctor told you? This is such a strange thing to say from a medical/physiological perspective. I am not going to suggest not listening to a doctor, but if this is what your doctor said I'd at least get a second opinion from another doctor (preferably a sports medicine doctor). Weight training of the sort that builds muscle doesn't really work on the joint support muscles, the ones that support your shoulder. The rotator cuff muscles are the muscles that support the stability of your shoulder. And yes they are being used in the process of weight training, but classic lateral raises, rear delt raises, military presses, etc etc don't improve the rotator cuff muscles. Physical therapists (they are all about joint and tendon health) have completely different exercise protocols if the goal is joint health and/or rehabilitation. If bodybuilding would improve joint health and joint support muscles, joint problems would not be such a common issue in the bodybuilding world. Improving ROM is also a completely different type of exercise program if increased ROM is the main goal. Check out Functional Range Conditioning, it will change your life: [URL="https://functionalanatomyseminars.com/frs-system/functional-range-conditioning/fr-conditioning-principles/"]FRC® Principles | Functional Anatomy Seminars[/URL] How can your doctor be shocked that after many years of bodybuilding style training you have joint issues? That is literally one of the most common issues in bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is terrible for the joints. (Just to be clear, I am referring to the old school type of bodybuilding where you go above and beyond what your body can handle, not regular resistance/weight training and just generally keeping in shape. And if you were taking 600mg/wk deca in the 80s, you are probably in the old school bodybuilding group). I am in the same group btw, I am not ripping on you or anything. I love bodybuilding so much, but I am starting to pay a price because of it. Resistance training is very important, and will prevent muscular atrophy, but bodybuilding is not going to save your shoulder joint from osteoarthritis or prevent general loss of ROM beyond a very basic level. It might even exacerbate the issues, that also depends on your form of course. Here's a good video from Scooby on this topic: [MEDIA=youtube]Klujlu8s1O4[/MEDIA] This is constructive criticism btw (of your doctor, not you). I am suffering now in multiple joints (left shoulder and right elbow), and I just don't want others to suffer the same way. It is fucking hell, because I love the gym. The worst thing about osteoarthitis is once you have it, you are stuck with it, since it is essentially deterioration of the cartilage in the joint capsule that prevents bones from rubbing on each other. And cartilage does not grow back, and so far medical science does not have a way to replace it or artificially grow it back. The scientist who comes up with a method of restoring cartilage will become an overnight billionare. I'd certainly pay whatever price he demands to restore my shoulder to optimum health (and my elbow for that matter). [/QUOTE]
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