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<blockquote data-quote="somedude" data-source="post: 96348" data-attributes="member: 14196"><p>Not sure if I should start a new post or try to bump this. I now have an extra year under my belt and its been an interesting ride. I could use some advice on next steps as I have struggled to find the right approach. Here is an update on my labs and what I've gone through. First of all I DON'T take an AI. I've never needed it. My testosterone does not seem to convert well to e2. My e2 remains low. </p><p></p><p>For most of 2017 I was on the following protocol. Overall. Decent experience. Much better than PreT. Ran into acne and some other minor side effects. But definitely not dialed in. Felt tired at times. Libido would go away, etc..</p><p></p><p>140mg Test CYP weekly</p><p>200 iu hcg twice per week</p><p>NO AI</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Labs taken at trough</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">TT - 480 (300 - 1080)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">FT - 95 (33 - 106)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">E2 - 11</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Labs taken one day after shot</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">TT - 1230 (300 - 1080)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">FT - 109 (33 - 106)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">E2 - 32</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">As you can see. Big swings here. And never really felt dialed in. So I switched to twice weekly shots, again.</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Test Cyp: 70mg Sunday Morning and 70mg on Wednesday night</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">200iu hcg: Tuesday and Friday</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">NO AI</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Trough:</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">TT - 466 (300 - 1080)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">FT - 78 (33 - 106)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">E2 - 12 (10 - 42)</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Peak:</p><p><span style="color: #333333">TT: 810 (264 - 916)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">FT: 19.3 (8.7 - 25.1)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">DHT : 52 (30 - 85)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">E2: 17 (8 - 35)</span></p><p></p><p>Some other labs. These are very consistent and have had no major swings except for some lower movement with Vitamin D occasionally. </p><p>Sometimes the Vitamin D will lower to the high 20s. Tried supplementing but got heart palpitations and crazy side effects. </p><p><span style="color: #333333">SHBG - 24 (11 - 80)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Cortisol 20 - (Morning blood test)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Vitamin D - 42 (20 - 50)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">17OH Hydroprogestrone 286 - (45 - 203)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">DHEA - 327 (80 - 560)</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>SO....here is where I'm at with this protocol. In general, pretty consistent morning wood. Decent libido consistently. Good energy. More or less I feel pretty good. BUT, about every three weeks I get a day or two of crazy symptoms that I believe are from low e2. Joint pain, insomnia (mainly can't sleep because my joints), no energy, fatigue is so bad I can barely get to work, no libido, brain fog, in general just brutally terrible. I had the symptoms when I had the blood draw for the peak on the E3.5D above. TT 810 and E2 17. Then I slowly get out of it and the next T show seems to help. Based on my SHBG you'd think that the twice per week shots would make sense. BUT, this crash that I get every few weeks is bad. HCG seems to have no impact on my e2. I'm wondering if I should up my test cyp dose? Or maybe should I do a higher dose and inject E5D. Like 120mg E5D? I am clearing the testosterone fast. Its not converting to e2 or dht for that matter. Whats strange is that my trough on the E3.5D and E7D is about the same but I only get the low e2 symptoms when I'm E3.5D. Most people on here have the opposite. I've scoured the web and these forums for hours and there don't seem to be many people that struggle with high t, low e2 WITHOUT an ai. I got some advice to up my dose and that seems to make sense. Then another guy mentioned lowering the dose. So i don't know. Would love some help. I feel like I'm close but just can't get there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="somedude, post: 96348, member: 14196"] Not sure if I should start a new post or try to bump this. I now have an extra year under my belt and its been an interesting ride. I could use some advice on next steps as I have struggled to find the right approach. Here is an update on my labs and what I've gone through. First of all I DON'T take an AI. I've never needed it. My testosterone does not seem to convert well to e2. My e2 remains low. For most of 2017 I was on the following protocol. Overall. Decent experience. Much better than PreT. Ran into acne and some other minor side effects. But definitely not dialed in. Felt tired at times. Libido would go away, etc.. 140mg Test CYP weekly 200 iu hcg twice per week NO AI [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Labs taken at trough TT - 480 (300 - 1080) FT - 95 (33 - 106) E2 - 11 [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]Labs taken one day after shot TT - 1230 (300 - 1080) FT - 109 (33 - 106) E2 - 32 As you can see. Big swings here. And never really felt dialed in. So I switched to twice weekly shots, again. Test Cyp: 70mg Sunday Morning and 70mg on Wednesday night 200iu hcg: Tuesday and Friday NO AI Trough: TT - 466 (300 - 1080) FT - 78 (33 - 106) E2 - 12 (10 - 42)[/FONT][/COLOR] Peak: [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]TT: 810 (264 - 916)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]FT: 19.3 (8.7 - 25.1)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]DHT : 52 (30 - 85)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]E2: 17 (8 - 35)[/FONT][/COLOR] Some other labs. These are very consistent and have had no major swings except for some lower movement with Vitamin D occasionally. Sometimes the Vitamin D will lower to the high 20s. Tried supplementing but got heart palpitations and crazy side effects. [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Helvetica]SHBG - 24 (11 - 80) Cortisol 20 - (Morning blood test) Vitamin D - 42 (20 - 50) 17OH Hydroprogestrone 286 - (45 - 203) DHEA - 327 (80 - 560)[/FONT][/COLOR] SO....here is where I'm at with this protocol. In general, pretty consistent morning wood. Decent libido consistently. Good energy. More or less I feel pretty good. BUT, about every three weeks I get a day or two of crazy symptoms that I believe are from low e2. Joint pain, insomnia (mainly can't sleep because my joints), no energy, fatigue is so bad I can barely get to work, no libido, brain fog, in general just brutally terrible. I had the symptoms when I had the blood draw for the peak on the E3.5D above. TT 810 and E2 17. Then I slowly get out of it and the next T show seems to help. Based on my SHBG you'd think that the twice per week shots would make sense. BUT, this crash that I get every few weeks is bad. HCG seems to have no impact on my e2. I'm wondering if I should up my test cyp dose? Or maybe should I do a higher dose and inject E5D. Like 120mg E5D? I am clearing the testosterone fast. Its not converting to e2 or dht for that matter. Whats strange is that my trough on the E3.5D and E7D is about the same but I only get the low e2 symptoms when I'm E3.5D. Most people on here have the opposite. I've scoured the web and these forums for hours and there don't seem to be many people that struggle with high t, low e2 WITHOUT an ai. I got some advice to up my dose and that seems to make sense. Then another guy mentioned lowering the dose. So i don't know. Would love some help. I feel like I'm close but just can't get there. [/QUOTE]
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