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Testosterone Basics & Questions
New to TRT: Wondering if it's working or not...
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<blockquote data-quote="Guided_by_Voices" data-source="post: 254038" data-attributes="member: 15235"><p>First, congratulations on having reached a successful steady state. That in itself is an accomplishment that not everyone is able to achieve. Here are a few thoughts beyond just finding a more sensible doctor and/or self-prescribing:</p><p>- The studies I can remember seeing suggest just the opposite of what your doctor is saying. They are based on long-term steroid users, however the basic conclusion is that many people cannot gain their prior T production after having been shut down for a long period.</p><p>- To give such an approach a fair shot, you would likely want to use some combination of clomid, Kisspeptin and/or HCG, and even that would be a rough ride.</p><p>- Compare risk and reward...reward is that best-case you are no different than you are now with no benefits other than cost. Downside is many months of being in a sub-optimal state with low chance of success (again, where is there any formal evidence that a large population has regained their production?)</p><p>- Worst of all, there is no assurance that you could get back to your present state if you re-started the T at a later time. The body likes consistency and if you start messing with a complex system and something goes wrong, it may not be possible to get back to where you are now. I have no formal data on that but there are plenty of people who report making major changes and then can't get back to where they were, especially since there are many non-T pathways involved such as dopamine, etc.</p><p>- I used to come off for 6 weeks once a year, and there is/was a clinic here in the US that recommended that, but that is by no means the norm and in retrospect, 6 weeks is nowhere near enough to fully return to natural production.</p><p>- In general, one of the more important principles of health is to not mess with things that are working well, and stopping T would certainly violate that principle.</p><p></p><p>Ok, good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guided_by_Voices, post: 254038, member: 15235"] First, congratulations on having reached a successful steady state. That in itself is an accomplishment that not everyone is able to achieve. Here are a few thoughts beyond just finding a more sensible doctor and/or self-prescribing: - The studies I can remember seeing suggest just the opposite of what your doctor is saying. They are based on long-term steroid users, however the basic conclusion is that many people cannot gain their prior T production after having been shut down for a long period. - To give such an approach a fair shot, you would likely want to use some combination of clomid, Kisspeptin and/or HCG, and even that would be a rough ride. - Compare risk and reward...reward is that best-case you are no different than you are now with no benefits other than cost. Downside is many months of being in a sub-optimal state with low chance of success (again, where is there any formal evidence that a large population has regained their production?) - Worst of all, there is no assurance that you could get back to your present state if you re-started the T at a later time. The body likes consistency and if you start messing with a complex system and something goes wrong, it may not be possible to get back to where you are now. I have no formal data on that but there are plenty of people who report making major changes and then can't get back to where they were, especially since there are many non-T pathways involved such as dopamine, etc. - I used to come off for 6 weeks once a year, and there is/was a clinic here in the US that recommended that, but that is by no means the norm and in retrospect, 6 weeks is nowhere near enough to fully return to natural production. - In general, one of the more important principles of health is to not mess with things that are working well, and stopping T would certainly violate that principle. Ok, good luck. [/QUOTE]
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