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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 184161" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/using-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-hcg-alone-for-the-treatment-of-men-with-low-testosterone.19394/#post-156461[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/treating-low-testosterone-with-clomid-hcg-and-aromatase-inhibitors-a-review-of-the-data.20852/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.google.com/search?q=hcg+monotherapy+excelmale.com+site:www.excelmale.com&sxsrf=ACYBGNQaVqcxCeTnwU_xbRRdr5ruC_U69Q:1567789465793&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXtcPx1rzkAhUCVa0KHdYsAEoQrQIoBDAAegQIBRAN&biw=1920&bih=937[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most doctors that prescribe Androgel (packets) would have the patient apply 5 grams gel (50mg T)/daily then wait until it is time to get blood work done to see where such dose has ones TT/FT/dht/e2 levels, blood markers (CBC including RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit) and get feedback from the patient on how they feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-t symptoms/overall well-being.</p><p></p><p>If the patient is still not experiencing any beneficial effects and depending on his testosterone levels than a dose increase may be needed.</p><p></p><p>The dose would be increased to 7.5 grams gel (75mg) or 10 grams gel (100mg) daily and then wait until it is time to get blood work done to see where blood levels sit and how the patient feels overall.</p><p></p><p>Transdermals (gels/creams) can be very effective but in most cases, it comes down to the strength of T used and absorption.</p><p></p><p>In most cases, the high-end dose of Androgel 100mg T would be needed to achieve high enough T levels to experience the beneficial effects and even then some men still have issues with absorption so they would need to use a higher strength compounded T cream.</p><p></p><p>When using transdermal T absorption will be in the 9-13% range.</p><p></p><p>Not sure what dose of Androgel he had you on let alone how long you were on such protocol.</p><p></p><p>You most likely had absorption issues.</p><p></p><p>Injections using esterified T are very effective.</p><p></p><p>The downfall in your situation was although you felt great overall you stated that you experienced side-effects and unfortunately, he most likely had you on a sub-par protocol using high doses of T injected once weekly which would spike your TT/FT/e2 levels very high post-injection only to be followed by much lower levels by the end of the week.</p><p></p><p>You would have a drastic peak--->trough let alone blood levels would not be stable throughout the week.</p><p></p><p>I would say your injection protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) was most likely the cause of your side-effects as your T levels were too high.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the hCG mono, most men do not stay on long-term and tend to feel better on trt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 184161, member: 13851"] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/using-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-hcg-alone-for-the-treatment-of-men-with-low-testosterone.19394/#post-156461[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/treating-low-testosterone-with-clomid-hcg-and-aromatase-inhibitors-a-review-of-the-data.20852/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.google.com/search?q=hcg+monotherapy+excelmale.com+site:www.excelmale.com&sxsrf=ACYBGNQaVqcxCeTnwU_xbRRdr5ruC_U69Q:1567789465793&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXtcPx1rzkAhUCVa0KHdYsAEoQrQIoBDAAegQIBRAN&biw=1920&bih=937[/URL] Most doctors that prescribe Androgel (packets) would have the patient apply 5 grams gel (50mg T)/daily then wait until it is time to get blood work done to see where such dose has ones TT/FT/dht/e2 levels, blood markers (CBC including RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit) and get feedback from the patient on how they feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-t symptoms/overall well-being. If the patient is still not experiencing any beneficial effects and depending on his testosterone levels than a dose increase may be needed. The dose would be increased to 7.5 grams gel (75mg) or 10 grams gel (100mg) daily and then wait until it is time to get blood work done to see where blood levels sit and how the patient feels overall. Transdermals (gels/creams) can be very effective but in most cases, it comes down to the strength of T used and absorption. In most cases, the high-end dose of Androgel 100mg T would be needed to achieve high enough T levels to experience the beneficial effects and even then some men still have issues with absorption so they would need to use a higher strength compounded T cream. When using transdermal T absorption will be in the 9-13% range. Not sure what dose of Androgel he had you on let alone how long you were on such protocol. You most likely had absorption issues. Injections using esterified T are very effective. The downfall in your situation was although you felt great overall you stated that you experienced side-effects and unfortunately, he most likely had you on a sub-par protocol using high doses of T injected once weekly which would spike your TT/FT/e2 levels very high post-injection only to be followed by much lower levels by the end of the week. You would have a drastic peak--->trough let alone blood levels would not be stable throughout the week. I would say your injection protocol (dose of T/injection frequency) was most likely the cause of your side-effects as your T levels were too high. Regarding the hCG mono, most men do not stay on long-term and tend to feel better on trt. [/QUOTE]
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