ExcelMale
Menu
Home
What's new
Latest activity
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Videos
Lab Tests
Doctor Finder
Buy Books
About Us
Men’s Health Coaching
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
Need libido/dysautonomia help please read entirely!
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="TestTube" data-source="post: 254278" data-attributes="member: 44916"><p>TLDR; Stop panicking. Stop reading. Get a beta blocker (use Metoporol XL, name brand - generics suck). Get a good doctor to help you eventually get off the benzos later. Stay hydrated. Rest. Reduce stress. Stop working out for weeks/months. Slowly re-introduce exercise with a recumbent bike and swimming. Your HPA axis will reset. You'll be fine.</p><p></p><p>I had this EXACT same shit in 2007 that I thought was going to kill me. I went to every emergency room and specialist around and got labeled the “anxiety guy” by the Mayo Clinic (although I really had a problem, which other doctors confirmed later).</p><p></p><p>After 8 months of suffering, I traveled 2,000 miles to the University of Michigan for a definitive answer in 2008. Turned out my problem had to do with adrenaline sensitivity, insulin sensitivity and other neuroendocrine stuff (HPA axis) - testosterone and anxiety made it worse.</p><p></p><p>At one point they thought I had reactive hypoglycemia (I did, but that was not all). A few doctors thought I had pseudopheochromocytoma (of course!). But according to the UofM doctor who specialized in the amygdala and HPA axis stuff, stress hormones are what drives this POTS/dysautonomia problem. Something goes out of whack and testosterone + adrenal fatigue has something to do with it in our case. With menopausal women, female hormones have something to do with them. I hear that covid can also cause this, but my problem wasn't caused by covid.</p><p></p><p>My ACTH for example (which drives cortisol among other things) was way, way out of whack. I had inappropriate responses to adrenaline. I would be sitting down with a blood pressure of 90/60 (low) and a heart rate of 60, then stand up, and instantly red in the face, ears ringing, heart racing (150bpm), and my blood pressure would shoot up to 210/110. That was scary shit, and I can’t tell you how many emergency rooms I visited - and I scared the shit out of every ER doctor. My poor wife and kid. We all thought I was dying.</p><p></p><p>Testosterone’s role in increasing adrenal sensitivity had something to do with my case, but only because of the improper stress response and adrenal issues I had going on (I overtrained for one thing, had work stress, etc.). There are other components - aldosterone, serotonin/dopamine, etc. and I can't remember what all the UofM doctor brought up. You get stuck in an anxiety loop of real physical symptoms that scares the living shit out of you, which causes more anxiety, and more real problems.</p><p></p><p>My solution was that I stopped working out entirely. I unplugged from stress (including work, and severed a relationship with a family member). I rested as much as possible. I took liposomal vitamin c to support my adrenals, and magnesium to relax. I lowered my dose of Synthroid (I have thyroid problems) and got my TSH up to a range where I wasn't hyperthyroid (but also not hypo). I stopped consuming sugar entirely and I cleaned up my diet. I stopped all caffeine. I started drinking Pedyalyte diluted with water and that helped a lot because my aldosterone was messed up. Some people with POTS get put on fludrocortisone. But I didn't want to start taking things that I might get stuck on for life. I completely went off testosterone but in hindsight I should have kept a low dose going (I've been back on TRT since 2014 though). A cardiologist prescribed 50mg Toporol XL (this helped a lot and I still take it for other reasons). That helped with the hyperadrenergic stuff.</p><p></p><p>The main thing that helped me though, is that while I knew something was wrong with me, I had to stop panicking about it. I had to stop researching myself into a panic. The more I read and worried, the worse it got - because again it is all driven by stress hormones. And let me tell you, there's some scary shit out there that you don't want to read - but it's all moot point. Once you stop the anxiety, this condition will improve. You just can't heal and reset your HPA axis if you're always worrying.</p><p></p><p>The stress hormones will just not stop unless you make the conscious decision to say “fuck it.” You can literally read yourself to death - I nearly did! I dropped to 135lbs from 195 and from doing power lifting to losing ALL my muscle (I quit eating and was off TRT). I looked like an emaciated pale corpse with my eyes sunken and cheekbones sticking out - people thought I had AIDs or was on chemo, and I was planning to die.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I really had a dysautonomia problem, but the more I worried about it, the worse I got. I made myself sick from worrying. Bonus tip: STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE POTS/DYSOTONOMIA GROUPS! Those people feed off of each other's negativity and they’re a bunch of whiney old ladies. All doom and gloom. Sickos!</p><p></p><p>Rest a while, then slowly start exercising again, but do not walk on treadmill if you still feel POTSY, instead use a recumbent bike, or swim. Always be hydrated with electrolytes before exercising. If you have baroreceptor problems from this, walking on a treadmill is hell. You know what I mean. But exercise is important to recover, if you do it carefully and slowly. Now that I'm back to normal, I can run like a striped ass ape, do deadlifts, whatever I want. But it took time to get back to normal. I could not lift 15lbs for a year.</p><p></p><p>Give yourself a few months. Reduce stress. Hell, sell your house and move to the country, or whatever it takes to destress and make you happy. Preoccupy your mind. You'll be able to go back up on T, and slowly start working out again. Rest a lot, don't worry, keep your blood pressure under control but don't freak out about it, and you'll be fine eventually. Might take weeks or months, but trust it will get better. If you check your heart rate and blood pressure all the time, stop that shit. Let your doctor handle that.</p><p></p><p>Get off those benzos as soon as you can (with the help of a doctor), but don't go off cold turkey and don't do it now – that’s the opposite of what you need. Benzos will stop working one day, and you'll be at such a high dose when that happens, you'll be sorry. First, try to support your adrenals, stop panicking, have a good doctor you trust who will prescribe whatever beta blocker you might need to get through this, get this shit under control first, then work off the benzos slowly. Might take years. You’ll be fine.</p><p></p><p>With that said, I have to do the disclaimer - I'm not a doctor, and you need a doctor's opinion. Unfortunately, this is too complicated for most doctors to give a shit about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TestTube, post: 254278, member: 44916"] TLDR; Stop panicking. Stop reading. Get a beta blocker (use Metoporol XL, name brand - generics suck). Get a good doctor to help you eventually get off the benzos later. Stay hydrated. Rest. Reduce stress. Stop working out for weeks/months. Slowly re-introduce exercise with a recumbent bike and swimming. Your HPA axis will reset. You'll be fine. I had this EXACT same shit in 2007 that I thought was going to kill me. I went to every emergency room and specialist around and got labeled the “anxiety guy” by the Mayo Clinic (although I really had a problem, which other doctors confirmed later). After 8 months of suffering, I traveled 2,000 miles to the University of Michigan for a definitive answer in 2008. Turned out my problem had to do with adrenaline sensitivity, insulin sensitivity and other neuroendocrine stuff (HPA axis) - testosterone and anxiety made it worse. At one point they thought I had reactive hypoglycemia (I did, but that was not all). A few doctors thought I had pseudopheochromocytoma (of course!). But according to the UofM doctor who specialized in the amygdala and HPA axis stuff, stress hormones are what drives this POTS/dysautonomia problem. Something goes out of whack and testosterone + adrenal fatigue has something to do with it in our case. With menopausal women, female hormones have something to do with them. I hear that covid can also cause this, but my problem wasn't caused by covid. My ACTH for example (which drives cortisol among other things) was way, way out of whack. I had inappropriate responses to adrenaline. I would be sitting down with a blood pressure of 90/60 (low) and a heart rate of 60, then stand up, and instantly red in the face, ears ringing, heart racing (150bpm), and my blood pressure would shoot up to 210/110. That was scary shit, and I can’t tell you how many emergency rooms I visited - and I scared the shit out of every ER doctor. My poor wife and kid. We all thought I was dying. Testosterone’s role in increasing adrenal sensitivity had something to do with my case, but only because of the improper stress response and adrenal issues I had going on (I overtrained for one thing, had work stress, etc.). There are other components - aldosterone, serotonin/dopamine, etc. and I can't remember what all the UofM doctor brought up. You get stuck in an anxiety loop of real physical symptoms that scares the living shit out of you, which causes more anxiety, and more real problems. My solution was that I stopped working out entirely. I unplugged from stress (including work, and severed a relationship with a family member). I rested as much as possible. I took liposomal vitamin c to support my adrenals, and magnesium to relax. I lowered my dose of Synthroid (I have thyroid problems) and got my TSH up to a range where I wasn't hyperthyroid (but also not hypo). I stopped consuming sugar entirely and I cleaned up my diet. I stopped all caffeine. I started drinking Pedyalyte diluted with water and that helped a lot because my aldosterone was messed up. Some people with POTS get put on fludrocortisone. But I didn't want to start taking things that I might get stuck on for life. I completely went off testosterone but in hindsight I should have kept a low dose going (I've been back on TRT since 2014 though). A cardiologist prescribed 50mg Toporol XL (this helped a lot and I still take it for other reasons). That helped with the hyperadrenergic stuff. The main thing that helped me though, is that while I knew something was wrong with me, I had to stop panicking about it. I had to stop researching myself into a panic. The more I read and worried, the worse it got - because again it is all driven by stress hormones. And let me tell you, there's some scary shit out there that you don't want to read - but it's all moot point. Once you stop the anxiety, this condition will improve. You just can't heal and reset your HPA axis if you're always worrying. The stress hormones will just not stop unless you make the conscious decision to say “fuck it.” You can literally read yourself to death - I nearly did! I dropped to 135lbs from 195 and from doing power lifting to losing ALL my muscle (I quit eating and was off TRT). I looked like an emaciated pale corpse with my eyes sunken and cheekbones sticking out - people thought I had AIDs or was on chemo, and I was planning to die. Yes, I really had a dysautonomia problem, but the more I worried about it, the worse I got. I made myself sick from worrying. Bonus tip: STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE POTS/DYSOTONOMIA GROUPS! Those people feed off of each other's negativity and they’re a bunch of whiney old ladies. All doom and gloom. Sickos! Rest a while, then slowly start exercising again, but do not walk on treadmill if you still feel POTSY, instead use a recumbent bike, or swim. Always be hydrated with electrolytes before exercising. If you have baroreceptor problems from this, walking on a treadmill is hell. You know what I mean. But exercise is important to recover, if you do it carefully and slowly. Now that I'm back to normal, I can run like a striped ass ape, do deadlifts, whatever I want. But it took time to get back to normal. I could not lift 15lbs for a year. Give yourself a few months. Reduce stress. Hell, sell your house and move to the country, or whatever it takes to destress and make you happy. Preoccupy your mind. You'll be able to go back up on T, and slowly start working out again. Rest a lot, don't worry, keep your blood pressure under control but don't freak out about it, and you'll be fine eventually. Might take weeks or months, but trust it will get better. If you check your heart rate and blood pressure all the time, stop that shit. Let your doctor handle that. Get off those benzos as soon as you can (with the help of a doctor), but don't go off cold turkey and don't do it now – that’s the opposite of what you need. Benzos will stop working one day, and you'll be at such a high dose when that happens, you'll be sorry. First, try to support your adrenals, stop panicking, have a good doctor you trust who will prescribe whatever beta blocker you might need to get through this, get this shit under control first, then work off the benzos slowly. Might take years. You’ll be fine. With that said, I have to do the disclaimer - I'm not a doctor, and you need a doctor's opinion. Unfortunately, this is too complicated for most doctors to give a shit about. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Share this page
Facebook
X (Twitter)
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Sponsors
Forums
Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
Need libido/dysautonomia help please read entirely!
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top