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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Nandrolone for a cancer patient?
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<blockquote data-quote="Blackhawk" data-source="post: 220222" data-attributes="member: 16042"><p>Thanks for the reply [USER=3]@Nelson Vergel[/USER].</p><p></p><p>Hematocrit is not an issue at this time, only 44-ish. I have not yet fully recovered from the anemia, my red cells are large (High MCV, and MCH, so HGB is in normal range, (16.4 yesterday) but RBC is still low. I am getting phlebotomies to remove iron, not because of HCT/HGB.</p><p></p><p>Current height/weight 5'10" 134. My ideal weight as an adult has been 145-150, so I am right about at that 10% loss proportion. I am losing a pound every few weeks now.</p><p></p><p>It is Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL). My course with it has been anything but "normal" for CLL. It has been very aggressive, I've had multiple treatment failures, life threatening infections, hospitalizations, transfusion dependent anemia etc. I reached initial "remission" about 10 months ago, but the effect on my bone marrow has been very long to rebound. Right now is the first time in 2.5 years the marrow is producing adequate blood cells, except B-cells. CLL is a cancer of the B-cells. The CLL cells do not function as immune cells, and the treatment is indiscriminate when it comes to normal B-cells. It kills them all. So while other white cells and red cells are getting better, I essentially have no functional B-cells. (Maybe TMI, as it doesn't really pertain to the task at hand to rebuild muscle)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nelson, I read "Built to Survive" once over and will go back and read the sections that pertain to me more in depth. What I haven;t found clear is what kind of dosage would be useful to me. I am afraid of increasing T cyp to 200 and adding nandrolone at 200, and would like to start lower, but I don't know what kind of dose is needed to be effective. I am sure Dr Saya will have an idea, but I also value your outlook as you have worked on this with sick people for decades.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Oh, I will read about ibutamoren, but is liver toxicity and issue with this drug? My liver is hurting from the iron overload and cancer treatment drugs. Enzymes are getting a little better, but have been ~2-3X the top of normal range for over 6 months.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blackhawk, post: 220222, member: 16042"] Thanks for the reply [USER=3]@Nelson Vergel[/USER]. Hematocrit is not an issue at this time, only 44-ish. I have not yet fully recovered from the anemia, my red cells are large (High MCV, and MCH, so HGB is in normal range, (16.4 yesterday) but RBC is still low. I am getting phlebotomies to remove iron, not because of HCT/HGB. Current height/weight 5'10" 134. My ideal weight as an adult has been 145-150, so I am right about at that 10% loss proportion. I am losing a pound every few weeks now. It is Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL). My course with it has been anything but "normal" for CLL. It has been very aggressive, I've had multiple treatment failures, life threatening infections, hospitalizations, transfusion dependent anemia etc. I reached initial "remission" about 10 months ago, but the effect on my bone marrow has been very long to rebound. Right now is the first time in 2.5 years the marrow is producing adequate blood cells, except B-cells. CLL is a cancer of the B-cells. The CLL cells do not function as immune cells, and the treatment is indiscriminate when it comes to normal B-cells. It kills them all. So while other white cells and red cells are getting better, I essentially have no functional B-cells. (Maybe TMI, as it doesn't really pertain to the task at hand to rebuild muscle) Nelson, I read "Built to Survive" once over and will go back and read the sections that pertain to me more in depth. What I haven;t found clear is what kind of dosage would be useful to me. I am afraid of increasing T cyp to 200 and adding nandrolone at 200, and would like to start lower, but I don't know what kind of dose is needed to be effective. I am sure Dr Saya will have an idea, but I also value your outlook as you have worked on this with sick people for decades. EDIT: Oh, I will read about ibutamoren, but is liver toxicity and issue with this drug? My liver is hurting from the iron overload and cancer treatment drugs. Enzymes are getting a little better, but have been ~2-3X the top of normal range for over 6 months. [/QUOTE]
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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
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