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Nandrolone Experiences
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<blockquote data-quote="DS3" data-source="post: 169746" data-attributes="member: 18514"><p>[USER=15043]@Gman86[/USER] Don't be frustrated because I have asked for evidence of your claims and you can produce none. There are no arguments that running deca solo will create low E2 and prolactin; THIS has never been the argument. The argument has consistently surrounded adding nandrolone to TRT, not replacing testosterone with nandrolone.</p><p></p><p>Your argument has been that running higher testosterone (say a 2:1 ratio) with nandrolone is what causes issues because nandrolone, according to you, increases E2 and prolactin receptor sensitivity (which you have yet to provide evidence of). Yet, as is seen in men's bloodwork, E2 and prolactin actually decrease when adding nandrolone to TRT (ADDING TO, NOT REPLACING TESTOSTERONE WITH NANDROLONE). And any increased receptor sensitivity is likely to be offset by the reduction in prolactin and E2 that men see when ADDING nandrolone to testosterone (again, not supplanting one for the other).</p><p></p><p>Then you have stated that decreasing testosterone dosage will resolve the issues.</p><p></p><p><strong>EXPLAIN THIS TO ME THEN</strong>.</p><p>If prolactin and E2 are already decreased while using a 2:1 test:nandrolone ratio, your solution is to lower testosterone and create an environment with even lower estrogen and prolactin? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???</p><p></p><p><strong>HERE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTED INCONSISTENCIES IN YOUR ARGUMENT THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THIS THREAD:</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>“ I’m pretty sure most of the information he talks about with nandrolone is based off of the scientific evidence.” <strong>(TAEIAN CLARK- THIS IS YOUR SOURCE OF NANDROLONE INFORMATION, AND YOUR 'PRETTY SURE' IT'S SCIENTIFIC IN NATURE, lol)</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>“His sexual dysfunction could of still been due to prolactin, but it’s because the test he was running was producing a lot of prolactin, and the nandrolone was making that prolactin more potent at the receptor.” <strong>(NOT ACCORDING TO BLOODWORK, this is total speculation, and he was using caber, so high prolactin would not have been the issue)</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>“Run nandrolone by itself, and you’ll see that your prolactin level is rock bottom. So how could deca be elevating this man’s prolactin level and causing sexual dysfunction?” <strong>(UH, YOU JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS QUOTE THAT IT IS YOUR BELIEF THAT RUNNING HIGH TEST WITH DECA CAUSES HIGH PROLACTIN)(HE'S NOT RUNNING DECA BY ITSELF, HE CLEARLY STATES THAT)</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>“But where’s the examples of men using nandrolone correctly that are having sexual function issues. I’m sure they’re out there, but why can’t anyone present a single case?” <strong>(I HAVE EVEN GIVEN EXAMPLES FROM LARRY LIPSCHULTZ' MOUTH AT THE Baylor College of Medicine AND YOU WON'T COMMENT BECAUSE IN YOUR MIND, IT DOESN'T EXIST)</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>“Just to clarify, so when you lowered T, and raised N, and said you still didn’t feel good, your doses of both were 200mg of T, and 100mg of N? If that’s correct, then it’s obv why you would run into issues. Your T is way too high, while concurrently running deca. Deca sensitizes E2 and prolactin receptors. 200mg of test is going to raise E2 and prolactin significantly. So even if they look within range in the serum, your E2 and prolactin receptors could be reacting like you have much much higher levels, and causing issues.” <strong>(ACTUALLY, BRO, ADDING DECA TO MY 200MG TEST DECREASED MY E2 AND PROLACTIN, SO EXPERIENCING ADDITIONAL SIDE EFFECTS OF E2 OR PROLACTIN ELEVATION IS DOUBTFUL, ESPECIALLY AS SERUM LEVELS DECREASE WHILE STILL BEING WELL WITHIN NORMAL RANGE. NOW I KNOW YOU ARE OBSESSING OVER THIS RECEPTOR SENSITIVITY DEAL, BUT EVEN IT YOU COULD FIND THE STUDY THAT PROVIDED EVIDENCE, A 40% REDUCTION IN MY PROLACTIN LEVELS AND A 20% REDUCTION IN MY E2 LEVELS after adding in nandrolone WOULD LIKELY MAKE UP FOR ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES CAUSED BY INCREASED E2 AND PROLACTIN RECEPTOR SENSITIVITY). And adding to that, if my prolactin and E2 are already decreased while using a 2:1 test:nandrolone ratio, your solution is to lower testosterone and create an environment with even lower estrogen and prolactin? Again, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DS3, post: 169746, member: 18514"] [USER=15043]@Gman86[/USER] Don't be frustrated because I have asked for evidence of your claims and you can produce none. There are no arguments that running deca solo will create low E2 and prolactin; THIS has never been the argument. The argument has consistently surrounded adding nandrolone to TRT, not replacing testosterone with nandrolone. Your argument has been that running higher testosterone (say a 2:1 ratio) with nandrolone is what causes issues because nandrolone, according to you, increases E2 and prolactin receptor sensitivity (which you have yet to provide evidence of). Yet, as is seen in men's bloodwork, E2 and prolactin actually decrease when adding nandrolone to TRT (ADDING TO, NOT REPLACING TESTOSTERONE WITH NANDROLONE). And any increased receptor sensitivity is likely to be offset by the reduction in prolactin and E2 that men see when ADDING nandrolone to testosterone (again, not supplanting one for the other). Then you have stated that decreasing testosterone dosage will resolve the issues. [B]EXPLAIN THIS TO ME THEN[/B]. If prolactin and E2 are already decreased while using a 2:1 test:nandrolone ratio, your solution is to lower testosterone and create an environment with even lower estrogen and prolactin? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? [B]HERE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTED INCONSISTENCIES IN YOUR ARGUMENT THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THIS THREAD:[/B] “ I’m pretty sure most of the information he talks about with nandrolone is based off of the scientific evidence.” [B](TAEIAN CLARK- THIS IS YOUR SOURCE OF NANDROLONE INFORMATION, AND YOUR 'PRETTY SURE' IT'S SCIENTIFIC IN NATURE, lol)[/B] “His sexual dysfunction could of still been due to prolactin, but it’s because the test he was running was producing a lot of prolactin, and the nandrolone was making that prolactin more potent at the receptor.” [B](NOT ACCORDING TO BLOODWORK, this is total speculation, and he was using caber, so high prolactin would not have been the issue)[/B] “Run nandrolone by itself, and you’ll see that your prolactin level is rock bottom. So how could deca be elevating this man’s prolactin level and causing sexual dysfunction?” [B](UH, YOU JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS QUOTE THAT IT IS YOUR BELIEF THAT RUNNING HIGH TEST WITH DECA CAUSES HIGH PROLACTIN)(HE'S NOT RUNNING DECA BY ITSELF, HE CLEARLY STATES THAT)[/B] “But where’s the examples of men using nandrolone correctly that are having sexual function issues. I’m sure they’re out there, but why can’t anyone present a single case?” [B](I HAVE EVEN GIVEN EXAMPLES FROM LARRY LIPSCHULTZ' MOUTH AT THE Baylor College of Medicine AND YOU WON'T COMMENT BECAUSE IN YOUR MIND, IT DOESN'T EXIST)[/B] “Just to clarify, so when you lowered T, and raised N, and said you still didn’t feel good, your doses of both were 200mg of T, and 100mg of N? If that’s correct, then it’s obv why you would run into issues. Your T is way too high, while concurrently running deca. Deca sensitizes E2 and prolactin receptors. 200mg of test is going to raise E2 and prolactin significantly. So even if they look within range in the serum, your E2 and prolactin receptors could be reacting like you have much much higher levels, and causing issues.” [B](ACTUALLY, BRO, ADDING DECA TO MY 200MG TEST DECREASED MY E2 AND PROLACTIN, SO EXPERIENCING ADDITIONAL SIDE EFFECTS OF E2 OR PROLACTIN ELEVATION IS DOUBTFUL, ESPECIALLY AS SERUM LEVELS DECREASE WHILE STILL BEING WELL WITHIN NORMAL RANGE. NOW I KNOW YOU ARE OBSESSING OVER THIS RECEPTOR SENSITIVITY DEAL, BUT EVEN IT YOU COULD FIND THE STUDY THAT PROVIDED EVIDENCE, A 40% REDUCTION IN MY PROLACTIN LEVELS AND A 20% REDUCTION IN MY E2 LEVELS after adding in nandrolone WOULD LIKELY MAKE UP FOR ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES CAUSED BY INCREASED E2 AND PROLACTIN RECEPTOR SENSITIVITY). And adding to that, if my prolactin and E2 are already decreased while using a 2:1 test:nandrolone ratio, your solution is to lower testosterone and create an environment with even lower estrogen and prolactin? Again, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???[/B] [/QUOTE]
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