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Nandrolone Experiences
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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 169199" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Pretty much spot on. So “deca dick” is an extremely misunderstood concept. It is almost always due to using deca with too high of a dosage of test. This is due to multiple factors, but the main ones are that there can be issues when too much DHT and DHN are competing for the same receptors. The other main reason is due to deca sensitizing the E2 and prolactin receptors. Nandrolone by itself will result in low prolactin levels, and very low E2 levels. Testosterone aromatizes at a moderate to high level into E2, and will produce a low/ moderate amount of prolactin. When testosterone is run in too high of a dosage, along with deca, the E2 and prolactin from the test will have an amplified effect, and can result in “deca dick”. Deca will get the blame, but it is due to the combo, not necessarily from the deca. When running deca by itself, the reason guys have dick issues is because of low E2. When running deca by itself, all you need to do is use something along with it, in small dosages, to boost E2. Like HCG and/ or testosterone. But “deca dick” doesn’t exist for most men running high enough deca to where they have enough aromatization into healthy E2 levels, and/ or when deca is run as a base, in low dosages, and E2 is boosted up a bit via something like low dose HCG or low dose testosterone.</p><p></p><p>The other myth about “deca dick” is that because it’s a progestin derivative, that it will cause progesterone levels to shoot up very high, therefore causing “deca dick”. This is also not true. All the guys running low, or high, doses of nandrolone don’t appear to have any issues with elevated levels of progesterone in their bloodwork.</p><p></p><p>Another myth is that “deca dick” is caused by lack of DHT. However, it seems that DHN, is good enough to do the job of keeping libido and sexual function healthy. I’ve talked to many many guys that either run deca by itself, or run deca as a base, in low dosages, with low dose test, that don’t have any sexual issues. It actually seems the opposite. Most of them report having too high of a libido. The main guy I talk to runs 300mg of deca, 40mg of test, and 500iu’s of HCG, per week, and has to “relieve” himself on average 3x/ day. He says his libido is annoyingly high. He’s been on this protocol for roughly 2 years. He’s not on HRT btw. He runs it indefinitely for health/ longevity purposes, and doesn’t cycle, but clearly it’s a small steroid cycle. He said without the test and HCG, and just using 300mg per week of deca, his E2 was 5.7, and he said his sexual function definitely suffered with E2 that low.</p><p></p><p>Here’s a video that’s kind of interesting, about a case study on a guy using 300mg of deca per week, all by itself. The man in the case study has an E2 level of 6.0, but has no libido or sexual function issues. Not sure how this can be the case. I know deca sensitizes the E2 receptor, and deca can lower SHBG, resulting in higher free E2, but still very surprising that this guy would have good libido and sexual function with such a low E2 level. He’s apparently been on deca by itself for 20 years, with intermittent equipoise cycles inbetween. Here’s the video. It’s only like 14 mins long I think.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]8AisKoiIRmg:385[/MEDIA]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 169199, member: 15043"] Pretty much spot on. So “deca dick” is an extremely misunderstood concept. It is almost always due to using deca with too high of a dosage of test. This is due to multiple factors, but the main ones are that there can be issues when too much DHT and DHN are competing for the same receptors. The other main reason is due to deca sensitizing the E2 and prolactin receptors. Nandrolone by itself will result in low prolactin levels, and very low E2 levels. Testosterone aromatizes at a moderate to high level into E2, and will produce a low/ moderate amount of prolactin. When testosterone is run in too high of a dosage, along with deca, the E2 and prolactin from the test will have an amplified effect, and can result in “deca dick”. Deca will get the blame, but it is due to the combo, not necessarily from the deca. When running deca by itself, the reason guys have dick issues is because of low E2. When running deca by itself, all you need to do is use something along with it, in small dosages, to boost E2. Like HCG and/ or testosterone. But “deca dick” doesn’t exist for most men running high enough deca to where they have enough aromatization into healthy E2 levels, and/ or when deca is run as a base, in low dosages, and E2 is boosted up a bit via something like low dose HCG or low dose testosterone. The other myth about “deca dick” is that because it’s a progestin derivative, that it will cause progesterone levels to shoot up very high, therefore causing “deca dick”. This is also not true. All the guys running low, or high, doses of nandrolone don’t appear to have any issues with elevated levels of progesterone in their bloodwork. Another myth is that “deca dick” is caused by lack of DHT. However, it seems that DHN, is good enough to do the job of keeping libido and sexual function healthy. I’ve talked to many many guys that either run deca by itself, or run deca as a base, in low dosages, with low dose test, that don’t have any sexual issues. It actually seems the opposite. Most of them report having too high of a libido. The main guy I talk to runs 300mg of deca, 40mg of test, and 500iu’s of HCG, per week, and has to “relieve” himself on average 3x/ day. He says his libido is annoyingly high. He’s been on this protocol for roughly 2 years. He’s not on HRT btw. He runs it indefinitely for health/ longevity purposes, and doesn’t cycle, but clearly it’s a small steroid cycle. He said without the test and HCG, and just using 300mg per week of deca, his E2 was 5.7, and he said his sexual function definitely suffered with E2 that low. Here’s a video that’s kind of interesting, about a case study on a guy using 300mg of deca per week, all by itself. The man in the case study has an E2 level of 6.0, but has no libido or sexual function issues. Not sure how this can be the case. I know deca sensitizes the E2 receptor, and deca can lower SHBG, resulting in higher free E2, but still very surprising that this guy would have good libido and sexual function with such a low E2 level. He’s apparently been on deca by itself for 20 years, with intermittent equipoise cycles inbetween. Here’s the video. It’s only like 14 mins long I think. [MEDIA=youtube]8AisKoiIRmg:385[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]
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