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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Nandrolone Experiences
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<blockquote data-quote="Gman86" data-source="post: 168916" data-attributes="member: 15043"><p>Just got done reading the first study. It’s basically saying that nandrolone has great potential, in all aspects, as a form of hormone therapy for hypogonadal men. I’m not seeing any downsides to the study. The only downside that they mentioned, was in regards to ED, but what they put is extremely wishy washy, imo. Here’s what they wrote.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="color: rgb(184, 110, 70)">Nandralone and ED</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="color: rgb(184, 110, 70)">”</span></span>In spite of its potential beneficial uses described above, one major limitation to the use of nandrolone in hypogonadal males stems from the fact that a relationship may exist between the use of nandrolone and ED. Although the World Health Organization INCHEM database compiled by the International Program on Chemical Safety (<a href="http://www.who.int/ipcs/en" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(100, 42, 143)">http://www.who.int/ipcs/en</span></a>) lists impotence under adverse effects of nandrolone; no consistent reports of ED associated with the use of nandrolone have been reported in the literature.</p><p>Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources suggests a relationship with the use of nandrolone (alone, not in combination with testosterone) and ED. Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.”</p><p></p><p>They literally say “<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> no consistent reports of ED associated with the use of nandrolone have been reported in the literature.”</span></span></p><p></p><p>[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]<span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #000000">I’m not impressed at all with the way they went about their reporting of nandrolone. They then go on to talk about anecdotal reports from patients, as well as men using UGL deca. “</span></span>[/FONT] Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources” How is this any different than what I’m doing? </p><p></p><p>Then they try to explain why nandrolone may cause ED by saying this “<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.” It’s confusing that they keep referring to a “build up of estrogens” when nandrolone coverts very little to E2. The guy in the anabolic doc video was on 300mg of deca, and had an E2 or 6, and the guy I go back and forth with on fb is on the same dose of deca, and has an E2 of 5.7. So unless they have studied nandrolone, and concluded that it converts quite a bit into estrone and/ or estriol, I’m not sure why they think this would be a mechanism that we cause ED. To me, it just seems like a study where the people running the study don’t fully understand nandrolone. Imo, part of the reason that some men may get ED in nandrolone solo, is because of a lack of estrogen, not a build up. And from what I’ve heard from men using nandrolone alone, DHN is strong enough to carry out all the same effects that DHT does. Obviously DHN isn’t close to as strong as DHT, at the receptor level, but for them it doesn’t seem to have any negative consequences. </span></span></p><p></p><p>Again, I’m not saying I know everything about nandrolone. I’m just saying that I think most people misunderstand how it actually works. Clearly even the people at Bayer are just greatly hypothesizing. The things that I’ve learned about nandrolone recently, and the pretty compelling anecdotal evidence that I’ve seen, I just think we need to do two things when it comes to this AAS. 1) Keep an open mind in regards to what this AAS actually does, and the effects it has in our body 2) be willing to forget some of the myths that have been recirculated by many, in regards to the effects this AAS has in our body. For instance, I used to think deca dick was from elevated prolactin. Turns out, while using nandrolone by itself, prolactin levels will be considerably lower than they are while taking testosterone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gman86, post: 168916, member: 15043"] Just got done reading the first study. It’s basically saying that nandrolone has great potential, in all aspects, as a form of hormone therapy for hypogonadal men. I’m not seeing any downsides to the study. The only downside that they mentioned, was in regards to ED, but what they put is extremely wishy washy, imo. Here’s what they wrote. [SIZE=16px][FONT=Archivo Narrow][COLOR=rgb(184, 110, 70)]Nandralone and ED[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=16px][FONT=Archivo Narrow][COLOR=rgb(184, 110, 70)]”[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]In spite of its potential beneficial uses described above, one major limitation to the use of nandrolone in hypogonadal males stems from the fact that a relationship may exist between the use of nandrolone and ED. Although the World Health Organization INCHEM database compiled by the International Program on Chemical Safety ([URL='http://www.who.int/ipcs/en'][COLOR=rgb(100, 42, 143)]http://www.who.int/ipcs/en[/COLOR][/URL]) lists impotence under adverse effects of nandrolone; no consistent reports of ED associated with the use of nandrolone have been reported in the literature. Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources suggests a relationship with the use of nandrolone (alone, not in combination with testosterone) and ED. Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.” They literally say “[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] no consistent reports of ED associated with the use of nandrolone have been reported in the literature.”[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif][SIZE=4][COLOR=#000000]I’m not impressed at all with the way they went about their reporting of nandrolone. They then go on to talk about anecdotal reports from patients, as well as men using UGL deca. “[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources” How is this any different than what I’m doing? Then they try to explain why nandrolone may cause ED by saying this “[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.” It’s confusing that they keep referring to a “build up of estrogens” when nandrolone coverts very little to E2. The guy in the anabolic doc video was on 300mg of deca, and had an E2 or 6, and the guy I go back and forth with on fb is on the same dose of deca, and has an E2 of 5.7. So unless they have studied nandrolone, and concluded that it converts quite a bit into estrone and/ or estriol, I’m not sure why they think this would be a mechanism that we cause ED. To me, it just seems like a study where the people running the study don’t fully understand nandrolone. Imo, part of the reason that some men may get ED in nandrolone solo, is because of a lack of estrogen, not a build up. And from what I’ve heard from men using nandrolone alone, DHN is strong enough to carry out all the same effects that DHT does. Obviously DHN isn’t close to as strong as DHT, at the receptor level, but for them it doesn’t seem to have any negative consequences. [/COLOR][/FONT] Again, I’m not saying I know everything about nandrolone. I’m just saying that I think most people misunderstand how it actually works. Clearly even the people at Bayer are just greatly hypothesizing. The things that I’ve learned about nandrolone recently, and the pretty compelling anecdotal evidence that I’ve seen, I just think we need to do two things when it comes to this AAS. 1) Keep an open mind in regards to what this AAS actually does, and the effects it has in our body 2) be willing to forget some of the myths that have been recirculated by many, in regards to the effects this AAS has in our body. For instance, I used to think deca dick was from elevated prolactin. Turns out, while using nandrolone by itself, prolactin levels will be considerably lower than they are while taking testosterone. [/QUOTE]
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