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Blood Test Discussion
My TRT Odyssey: Lab Results and More
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 272195" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>Would ride it out longer before jumping to any conclusions.</p><p></p><p>You are only 8 weeks in.</p><p></p><p>Need to give it a few months after one has reached a steady state to gauge how you truly feel overall let alone whether the protocol was a success or failure.</p><p></p><p>Takes time for the body to adapt to the new set point.</p><p></p><p>If you are dead set on increasing your weekly dose 8 weeks in just because you feel that achieving a higher troogh FT may be more effective overall than going from 140 mg T/week (40mg EOD) ---> 175 mg T/week (50 mg EOD) is a big jump.</p><p></p><p>35 mg T/week is going to give you a big bump in TT/FT.</p><p></p><p>May end up pushing your high-end trough TT from 893 ng/dL higher than needed and might end up overshooting your trough FT.</p><p></p><p>If you end up with a very high trough TT of almost 1200 ng/dL that would have your trough (cFTV) at 25.7 ng/dL which would be a huge jump from your current 17.</p><p></p><p>I can drive up my TT 200 ng/dL by just increasing my dose 20 mg/week.</p><p></p><p>Would be more sensible to go from 140--->160 mg.</p><p> </p><p>Hate to burst your bubble here but you are not going to notice a big difference in muscle/strength gains going from a trough TT 900--->1100-1200 ng/dL or more importantly a trough FT 17--->21 ng/dL.</p><p></p><p>Either way do what you feel is best for you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Dave Lee's TRT 101 book after translating the units to be American-friendly:</em></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>When initiating treatment likes to bring free T to 17 to 29 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Younger men do better with higher levels, older men better with lower levels</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Lowest free T observed in a dialed in man was 16 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Highest free T in dialed in men: 43 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Personally he does best between 38 – 43 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Majority of his clients sit around 26 – 35 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Very few clients do well with free T below 20 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Decent handful of clients start to get negative sides above 32 – 35 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Equal number of clients don't receive much benefit until free T is above 35 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><strong><em>Most men over 60 do best with 17 – 26 ng/dl</em></strong></em></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em><em><strong>Men under 25 do best with 35 – 43 ng/dl</strong></em></em></strong></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>Would tread lightly on this one!</p><p></p><p>Could easily blow holes through this.</p><p></p><p>Big difference between one running an absurdly high trough FT 30 ng/dL on a once weekly vs EOD or daily protocol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 272195, member: 13851"] Would ride it out longer before jumping to any conclusions. You are only 8 weeks in. Need to give it a few months after one has reached a steady state to gauge how you truly feel overall let alone whether the protocol was a success or failure. Takes time for the body to adapt to the new set point. If you are dead set on increasing your weekly dose 8 weeks in just because you feel that achieving a higher troogh FT may be more effective overall than going from 140 mg T/week (40mg EOD) ---> 175 mg T/week (50 mg EOD) is a big jump. 35 mg T/week is going to give you a big bump in TT/FT. May end up pushing your high-end trough TT from 893 ng/dL higher than needed and might end up overshooting your trough FT. If you end up with a very high trough TT of almost 1200 ng/dL that would have your trough (cFTV) at 25.7 ng/dL which would be a huge jump from your current 17. I can drive up my TT 200 ng/dL by just increasing my dose 20 mg/week. Would be more sensible to go from 140--->160 mg. Hate to burst your bubble here but you are not going to notice a big difference in muscle/strength gains going from a trough TT 900--->1100-1200 ng/dL or more importantly a trough FT 17--->21 ng/dL. Either way do what you feel is best for you. [B][I]Dave Lee's TRT 101 book after translating the units to be American-friendly:[/I][/B] [LIST] [*][B][I][B][I]When initiating treatment likes to bring free T to 17 to 29 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Younger men do better with higher levels, older men better with lower levels[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Lowest free T observed in a dialed in man was 16 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Highest free T in dialed in men: 43 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Personally he does best between 38 – 43 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Majority of his clients sit around 26 – 35 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Very few clients do well with free T below 20 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Decent handful of clients start to get negative sides above 32 – 35 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Equal number of clients don't receive much benefit until free T is above 35 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][B][I]Most men over 60 do best with 17 – 26 ng/dl[/I][/B][/I][/B] [*][B][I][I][B]Men under 25 do best with 35 – 43 ng/dl[/B][/I][/I][/B] [/LIST] Would tread lightly on this one! Could easily blow holes through this. Big difference between one running an absurdly high trough FT 30 ng/dL on a once weekly vs EOD or daily protocol. [/QUOTE]
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