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Thyroid, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA, etc
Thyroid, DHEA, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, etc
My start on NDT
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<blockquote data-quote="WrenchHead80" data-source="post: 115002" data-attributes="member: 17451"><p>Defy would have had me on 1/2 grain for the 6 weeks if I didn't email my PA at Defy after my first week asking if I could raise it cause I felt tired (worse then not being on it). I did feel better after the raise but didn't want to push it more fearing I could have pooling and not know it till I had labs done. So I figured Id wait till I get labs done to confirm it was ok.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the added info.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think I may actually understand this now lol. Sorry for making you repeat yourself, its just hard for me to understand whats going on here. So I know I understand this, in layman terms...</p><p></p><p>Pooling can be shown threw having elevated FT3 or FT4 numbers above range OR in my case because its highly unlikely to have what "looks" like great FT3 #'s on the small dose I am on and the ratio to FT3 and FT4. So my FT3 is building up fast and floating around cause it doesn't have the iron or maybe cortisol (don't know since I haven't had it tested) to allow it to be used. My RT3 is low because that number usually only goes up if you have too much T4 building up, it spills over into RT3.</p><p></p><p>I was thinking for some reason RT3 is the only indicator of pooling. Now I understand the importance of FT3 and FT4 #'s since they indicate pooling if above range and also how much a person has available to use when needed. </p><p></p><p>Well personally I feel I'm wasting my time and money starting thyroid treatment right now. I'm basically not getting the usage out of the pills because of my iron and maybe because of my cortisol levels too. I feel maybe it would have been smarter to fix my iron levels first before starting the NDT. Wish I understood this better sooner. Just so you know I'm not talking to Dr. Saya, wait time was very long for him when I called and money is kind of tight right now. I was assuming the PA I am using runs things by him?</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I know what to do as for as dosing though still. I know 1 grain a day has me "better" and maybe for right now I should be happy with staying like this till I get my iron up more? Why would adding T4 help right now? Wouldn't it probably just build up and spill over to RT3? Same as raising the NDT right now? Or will I be hurting myself staying on too low of a NDT dose still, as I race to raise my iron levels? </p><p></p><p> I feel I have to get this iron up and fast. Can I safely double my iron supplement intake at night? Or go even higher? I think you original said in my other thread I should take more then I am right now. I'll have to revisit that thread after this. </p><p></p><p>This is my current dose-></p><p></p><p>1 Ferrett's iron supplement pill (106mg elemental from 325mg ferrous furnarate) </p><p>1 vitron-c plus vitamin c pill (65mg elemental as carbonyl iron)</p><p>2 vitamin c pill (2000mg)</p><p></p><p>Also do you mind explaining why the other three iron numbers went down and my ferritin went up a little since supplementing with iron? I figured they would have all gone up a little. My PA noted after I sent him my labs the my ferritin went up, but didn't mention the other iron numbers going down. I took it as it was good news having higher ferritin at least?</p><p></p><p>EDIT TO ADD: I just read you shouldn't take your NDT before your blood work cause it will show elevated T3 numbers. But I heard on here you should take your NDT as normal before your labs in the morning? I took mine 1 to 2 hours before my lab test that morning. Is this ok? Every time I think I understand whats going on then I read something that makes me not sure again.</p><p></p><p>Thank you again for taking the time in teaching me all this. Also you can never sound like a broken record to me lol. I seem to need to hear the same thing said differently at least two times to fully grasp it lol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WrenchHead80, post: 115002, member: 17451"] Defy would have had me on 1/2 grain for the 6 weeks if I didn't email my PA at Defy after my first week asking if I could raise it cause I felt tired (worse then not being on it). I did feel better after the raise but didn't want to push it more fearing I could have pooling and not know it till I had labs done. So I figured Id wait till I get labs done to confirm it was ok. Thanks for the added info. I think I may actually understand this now lol. Sorry for making you repeat yourself, its just hard for me to understand whats going on here. So I know I understand this, in layman terms... Pooling can be shown threw having elevated FT3 or FT4 numbers above range OR in my case because its highly unlikely to have what "looks" like great FT3 #'s on the small dose I am on and the ratio to FT3 and FT4. So my FT3 is building up fast and floating around cause it doesn't have the iron or maybe cortisol (don't know since I haven't had it tested) to allow it to be used. My RT3 is low because that number usually only goes up if you have too much T4 building up, it spills over into RT3. I was thinking for some reason RT3 is the only indicator of pooling. Now I understand the importance of FT3 and FT4 #'s since they indicate pooling if above range and also how much a person has available to use when needed. Well personally I feel I'm wasting my time and money starting thyroid treatment right now. I'm basically not getting the usage out of the pills because of my iron and maybe because of my cortisol levels too. I feel maybe it would have been smarter to fix my iron levels first before starting the NDT. Wish I understood this better sooner. Just so you know I'm not talking to Dr. Saya, wait time was very long for him when I called and money is kind of tight right now. I was assuming the PA I am using runs things by him? I'm not sure I know what to do as for as dosing though still. I know 1 grain a day has me "better" and maybe for right now I should be happy with staying like this till I get my iron up more? Why would adding T4 help right now? Wouldn't it probably just build up and spill over to RT3? Same as raising the NDT right now? Or will I be hurting myself staying on too low of a NDT dose still, as I race to raise my iron levels? I feel I have to get this iron up and fast. Can I safely double my iron supplement intake at night? Or go even higher? I think you original said in my other thread I should take more then I am right now. I'll have to revisit that thread after this. This is my current dose-> 1 Ferrett's iron supplement pill (106mg elemental from 325mg ferrous furnarate) 1 vitron-c plus vitamin c pill (65mg elemental as carbonyl iron) 2 vitamin c pill (2000mg) Also do you mind explaining why the other three iron numbers went down and my ferritin went up a little since supplementing with iron? I figured they would have all gone up a little. My PA noted after I sent him my labs the my ferritin went up, but didn't mention the other iron numbers going down. I took it as it was good news having higher ferritin at least? EDIT TO ADD: I just read you shouldn't take your NDT before your blood work cause it will show elevated T3 numbers. But I heard on here you should take your NDT as normal before your labs in the morning? I took mine 1 to 2 hours before my lab test that morning. Is this ok? Every time I think I understand whats going on then I read something that makes me not sure again. Thank you again for taking the time in teaching me all this. Also you can never sound like a broken record to me lol. I seem to need to hear the same thing said differently at least two times to fully grasp it lol. [/QUOTE]
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