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Thyroid, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA, etc
Thyroid, DHEA, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, etc
My start on NDT
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<blockquote data-quote="Vettester Chris" data-source="post: 114813" data-attributes="member: 696"><p>Wrench, One (1) grain split up twice per day isn't going to be anywhere close to effective with challenging your TPO enzyme autoimmune disorder being over the top. In fact, it more than likely will just aggravate it and fuel more autoimmune attacks.</p><p></p><p>With elevated TPO, and One (1) grain of NDT, the T4 reserve tank is still empty. In your particular situation, I'd advise not to be fooled by the low RT3. Keep in mind, the TPO has declared war on your thyroid gland, and your FT4 values "were" and "still are" BELOW the reference range! </p><p></p><p>The low yield of RT3 is going to be reflected by the lack of T4, meaning there just isn't enough T4 to convert at higher levels of RT3. Your FT4 went up just slightly, but your RT3 also followed suit and went up proportionately. When we talk about pooling, FT3 isn't reaching the cells for one reason or another (?), and the body shifts demand for T4 to convert at higher rates of RT3. Again, having sub-reference levels of T4 just won't convert all that much RT3. </p><p></p><p>You've probably seen some guys on T3 cytomel only protocols, talking about how they do this to "flush out" their high RT3. What they're actually doing is inhibiting their T4 production, which in turn begins to lower RT3. Elevated FT3 will signal TSH to drop (look at yours for proof), and a reduction of TRH -> TSH will regulate further T4 production, or lack there-of.</p><p></p><p>I think your iron & ferritin still need to come up a bit before this is really going to work. I find it concerning that one (1) grain of NDT increased your FT3 from <u>12.5</u>% of Reference range up to <u>91.6%</u> of reference range, but FT4 doesn't even show up on the reference range! I've seen guys on 3 grains that only get to 70% and 75% on the FT3 reference range, and FT4 mid 60's to 70% ref range, considering the actual T4 to T3 ratios of NDT are different than that of human thyroid levels; which is why many will implement some for of Levo T4-only to get the ratio closer to that of a normal, natural level for T4 & T3 ratios.</p><p></p><p>If /when the variables are in place for FT3 to reach the cells, I would suggest getting a protocol put together that will be an adequate dosage to mitigate the autoimmune attacks. Also, with Anti TPO I would suggest at least 400mcg of selenium, and I would ramp up more vitamin C, at least 2,000mg. There are some other areas with nutrients as well, but for now give this some thought and do some research.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vettester Chris, post: 114813, member: 696"] Wrench, One (1) grain split up twice per day isn't going to be anywhere close to effective with challenging your TPO enzyme autoimmune disorder being over the top. In fact, it more than likely will just aggravate it and fuel more autoimmune attacks. With elevated TPO, and One (1) grain of NDT, the T4 reserve tank is still empty. In your particular situation, I'd advise not to be fooled by the low RT3. Keep in mind, the TPO has declared war on your thyroid gland, and your FT4 values "were" and "still are" BELOW the reference range! The low yield of RT3 is going to be reflected by the lack of T4, meaning there just isn't enough T4 to convert at higher levels of RT3. Your FT4 went up just slightly, but your RT3 also followed suit and went up proportionately. When we talk about pooling, FT3 isn't reaching the cells for one reason or another (?), and the body shifts demand for T4 to convert at higher rates of RT3. Again, having sub-reference levels of T4 just won't convert all that much RT3. You've probably seen some guys on T3 cytomel only protocols, talking about how they do this to "flush out" their high RT3. What they're actually doing is inhibiting their T4 production, which in turn begins to lower RT3. Elevated FT3 will signal TSH to drop (look at yours for proof), and a reduction of TRH -> TSH will regulate further T4 production, or lack there-of. I think your iron & ferritin still need to come up a bit before this is really going to work. I find it concerning that one (1) grain of NDT increased your FT3 from [U]12.5[/U]% of Reference range up to [U]91.6%[/U] of reference range, but FT4 doesn't even show up on the reference range! I've seen guys on 3 grains that only get to 70% and 75% on the FT3 reference range, and FT4 mid 60's to 70% ref range, considering the actual T4 to T3 ratios of NDT are different than that of human thyroid levels; which is why many will implement some for of Levo T4-only to get the ratio closer to that of a normal, natural level for T4 & T3 ratios. If /when the variables are in place for FT3 to reach the cells, I would suggest getting a protocol put together that will be an adequate dosage to mitigate the autoimmune attacks. Also, with Anti TPO I would suggest at least 400mcg of selenium, and I would ramp up more vitamin C, at least 2,000mg. There are some other areas with nutrients as well, but for now give this some thought and do some research. [/QUOTE]
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Thyroid, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA, etc
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My start on NDT
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