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<blockquote data-quote="JetSpyder" data-source="post: 210355" data-attributes="member: 13476"><p><strong>I would bet that a good part of those sides was due to the T dose which would result in very high FT levels let alone peak--->trough once-weekly injections.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Most would never need such a dose to achieve a healthy, high let alone in some cases absurdly high FT.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Ridiculous to start anyone off on such a dose and it is hard to believe you stayed on the same piss poor protocol that long while dealing with such sides.</strong></p><p></p><p>100% agree with this. I was ignorant and knew nothing about TRT at the time. All I can remember is that my tot T was 220. I don't even know what else they tested or checked. I continued on it because even with the side effects the positives outweighed the negatives so I stuck with it. It was in 2016 when everything got jacked. We decided to have a child so Dr at the time had me reduce my T to next to nothing and I was taking 1500 IU of HcG 3x a week for fertility. Though this jacked me up a bit we were able to conceive a child so it was worth it. Since then I have moved to Nevada and have been trying to get my shit on track.</p><p></p><p><strong>Even though you dropped the hCG the drop in T dose was significant 200 mg T once weekly--->100 mg T split (50mg every 3.5 days).</strong></p><p><strong>Going to be a big difference in your FT levels let alone peak--->trough.</strong></p><p></p><p>Very much correct. I remember back at time my total T was in the 1200-1400 range. Since I have dropped to the lower dose my total T has been sitting around 550.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Where do your trough TT, FT, and estradiol levels sit on your current protocol?</strong></p><p></p><p>May 2021 (50 mg 2x) Nov 20 (120 mg 1x/week)</p><p>Total 527ng/dL range 264-916 ng/dL 637 range 264-916</p><p>Free 15.3pg/mL range 6.8-21.5 pg.mL 18.8 range 8.7-25.1</p><p></p><p>Estradiol </p><p>Total 29 range 8-35 20.3 range 8.0-35</p><p>Free 3.3 range 1.7-5.4 </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Did you even know where your FT level truly sits?</strong></p><p>No I do not.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Was it tested using an accurate assay (ED or UF)?</strong></p><p>Labs were done thru Labcorp. I know the estradiol was the ultra sensitive because I made sure they used it. Unsure for the test.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Where does your SHBG sit as of now?</strong></p><p>Unfortunately where I live there are no good TRT doctors. Mine knows little about it and I basically just use him to prescribe my meds and blood work. When I got my labs in May I asked them to do everything and they said no the Dr only put in T and Estrogen so thats all i got. I got new blood work last week so I should have my new labs here any day. I had them get T, estradiol, prolactin, DHT, SHBG and B12.</p><p></p><p>Nov 2020 I got these. I think I was taking HcG at this time but can't remember.</p><p>DHT 75 range 30-85</p><p>Prolactin 9.6 range 4-15 ng/mL</p><p>SHBG 22.5 range 16.5-55.9 nmol/L</p><p>Looking back at some previous labs it seems a low SHBG guy. They are all in the low 20's.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Lowering your hCG dose 200-250 IU 2x/week would be a smart move and you could even try injecting lower doses more frequently.</strong></p><p></p><p>I started this today. Planning on doing 250IU 2x per week. Cut it in half.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>If you are someone genetically prone to acne then finding the lowest FT level you can run while still maintaining the beneficial effects of having a healthy testosterone level would have a big impact on preventing/minimizing side effects.</strong></p><p></p><p>This is the frustrating and difficult part. I am not. I didn't deal with this as a child or adolescent. In my late 20s I developed painful blister type acne on my scalp. Every dermo I have been to calls it folliculitis. I have been on every antibiotic, cream and lotion you can imagine to fight it and I could keep it under control until I started TRT. It has gotten really bad the past 4 years or so and is the number 1 reason I am thoroughly trying to figure what is causing it to be worse. When I quit HcG early this year 70% of the folliculitis went away and I could control it again. However so did 70% of my libido.</p><p></p><p><em><strong>*knowing where your FT level truly sits (accurate assays)</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>* avoid running too high an FT level </strong></em></p><p><em><strong>*injecting lower doses of T more frequently (clipping peak--->trough, achieving more stable T levels)</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>*lowering your overall weekly dose of T when adding hCG</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>*injecting lower doses of hCG more frequently</strong></em></p><p><strong><em>*running lower doses <100 mg T/week and adding nandrolone</em></strong></p><p></p><p>My new labs should be in anytime this week so I can compare. I would just completely drop the HcG again but my sexual performance has been MUCH better the past 2 weeks and my testicules are much fuller. Whether this will continue or not is the great unknown. I am all for lowering doses and doing 3x weekly injections if necessary but my T levels are not very high where they sit now. I can't imagine the HcG will have that much of a boost.</p><p></p><p>I don't know anything about nandrolone but trying to get my Dr to prescribe it will be entertaining.</p><p></p><p>Thank you sooo much for all of your information. Its much appreciated. I will post my new labs once I get them and decide what protocol to adjust.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JetSpyder, post: 210355, member: 13476"] [B]I would bet that a good part of those sides was due to the T dose which would result in very high FT levels let alone peak--->trough once-weekly injections. Most would never need such a dose to achieve a healthy, high let alone in some cases absurdly high FT. Ridiculous to start anyone off on such a dose and it is hard to believe you stayed on the same piss poor protocol that long while dealing with such sides.[/B] 100% agree with this. I was ignorant and knew nothing about TRT at the time. All I can remember is that my tot T was 220. I don't even know what else they tested or checked. I continued on it because even with the side effects the positives outweighed the negatives so I stuck with it. It was in 2016 when everything got jacked. We decided to have a child so Dr at the time had me reduce my T to next to nothing and I was taking 1500 IU of HcG 3x a week for fertility. Though this jacked me up a bit we were able to conceive a child so it was worth it. Since then I have moved to Nevada and have been trying to get my shit on track. [B]Even though you dropped the hCG the drop in T dose was significant 200 mg T once weekly--->100 mg T split (50mg every 3.5 days). Going to be a big difference in your FT levels let alone peak--->trough.[/B] Very much correct. I remember back at time my total T was in the 1200-1400 range. Since I have dropped to the lower dose my total T has been sitting around 550. [B] Where do your trough TT, FT, and estradiol levels sit on your current protocol?[/B] May 2021 (50 mg 2x) Nov 20 (120 mg 1x/week) Total 527ng/dL range 264-916 ng/dL 637 range 264-916 Free 15.3pg/mL range 6.8-21.5 pg.mL 18.8 range 8.7-25.1 Estradiol Total 29 range 8-35 20.3 range 8.0-35 Free 3.3 range 1.7-5.4 [B] Did you even know where your FT level truly sits?[/B] No I do not. [B] Was it tested using an accurate assay (ED or UF)?[/B] Labs were done thru Labcorp. I know the estradiol was the ultra sensitive because I made sure they used it. Unsure for the test. [B] Where does your SHBG sit as of now?[/B] Unfortunately where I live there are no good TRT doctors. Mine knows little about it and I basically just use him to prescribe my meds and blood work. When I got my labs in May I asked them to do everything and they said no the Dr only put in T and Estrogen so thats all i got. I got new blood work last week so I should have my new labs here any day. I had them get T, estradiol, prolactin, DHT, SHBG and B12. Nov 2020 I got these. I think I was taking HcG at this time but can't remember. DHT 75 range 30-85 Prolactin 9.6 range 4-15 ng/mL SHBG 22.5 range 16.5-55.9 nmol/L Looking back at some previous labs it seems a low SHBG guy. They are all in the low 20's. [B]Lowering your hCG dose 200-250 IU 2x/week would be a smart move and you could even try injecting lower doses more frequently.[/B] I started this today. Planning on doing 250IU 2x per week. Cut it in half. [B] If you are someone genetically prone to acne then finding the lowest FT level you can run while still maintaining the beneficial effects of having a healthy testosterone level would have a big impact on preventing/minimizing side effects.[/B] This is the frustrating and difficult part. I am not. I didn't deal with this as a child or adolescent. In my late 20s I developed painful blister type acne on my scalp. Every dermo I have been to calls it folliculitis. I have been on every antibiotic, cream and lotion you can imagine to fight it and I could keep it under control until I started TRT. It has gotten really bad the past 4 years or so and is the number 1 reason I am thoroughly trying to figure what is causing it to be worse. When I quit HcG early this year 70% of the folliculitis went away and I could control it again. However so did 70% of my libido. [I][B]*knowing where your FT level truly sits (accurate assays) * avoid running too high an FT level *injecting lower doses of T more frequently (clipping peak--->trough, achieving more stable T levels) *lowering your overall weekly dose of T when adding hCG *injecting lower doses of hCG more frequently[/B][/I] [B][I]*running lower doses <100 mg T/week and adding nandrolone[/I][/B] My new labs should be in anytime this week so I can compare. I would just completely drop the HcG again but my sexual performance has been MUCH better the past 2 weeks and my testicules are much fuller. Whether this will continue or not is the great unknown. I am all for lowering doses and doing 3x weekly injections if necessary but my T levels are not very high where they sit now. I can't imagine the HcG will have that much of a boost. I don't know anything about nandrolone but trying to get my Dr to prescribe it will be entertaining. Thank you sooo much for all of your information. Its much appreciated. I will post my new labs once I get them and decide what protocol to adjust. [/QUOTE]
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