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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 180073" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Yes, I understand that people have different views on the topic with dosing. I am just currently experimenting with higher doses - more on this a bit later.</span></p><p></p><p>I understand but the dose of ND you are adding to your high-end trt dose has nothing to do with trt/hrt.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">You are right, I am not safe forever. But as I said, I am running bloods every 4 weeks, so if things start getting south, I will cut the dose. I might do that anyway, just to be safe, even if things continue being good.</span></p><p></p><p>Again you are only 4 weeks in using a decanoate ester and have not reached steady state and you would need to give it 8-12 weeks to truly see how it affects blood markers.</p><p></p><p>Even then 200mg T + 200mg ND/week is not a trt/hrt protocol.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I ran several complete blood tests in the spawn of a few months before starting TRT and everything was good and fairly consistent. Hemoglobin was between 149 - 153 g/L and Hematocrit was between 44 - 46%. Those haven't changed significantly so far, as I stated. My Iron/Ferritin levels were good as well. I've never donated blood in my life.</span></p><p></p><p>Consider yourself one of the lucky few and 4 weeks in is way too early to see how ND will affect blood markers.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">You might be right, but as I couldn't find super solid information about the dose regarding joint pain relieve, I decided to go on the higher side to be safe. At least if it doesn't help at this dose, I would 100% know it's not because of the dose. Do you have some solid information that above 100mg is completely not necessary for joint pain?</span></p><p></p><p>The Lipschultz study.</p><p></p><p>The dose of ND prescribed for joint pain/bone health is 50-100mg/week.</p><p></p><p>You are kidding yourself if you think one needs an absurd dose of 200mg/week. </p><p></p><p>Unfortunately jumping in feet first is for the eager and uninformed.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">That's kind of my case as well though, but in a slightly different context. <u>If I want to experiment with a higher those, it will be much wiser to use 200 Test / 200 Nandrolone compared to 400 Test. The chance is that the side effects will probably be much heavier in the latter case.</u></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">True but again this would only be implemented when one is looking to enhance muscle/strength gains and has absolutely nothing to do with trt/hrt.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I need to apologise by the way - I said no side effects, but in fact I have one. I started holding quite a bit of water - about 14 lbs or so since I started TRT. That is probably mostly due to the high dose of testosterone. It is fairly annoying in terms of appearance and I am looking at ways to manage that at the moment.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Not surprised and I bet your FT is through the roof as your SHBG is low.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Again I don't care much about muscle gain, I would prefer to stay around the same body weight. Some re-composition would be nice though, because I have quite a bit of fat still. Some strength gain will be nice, but I was quite strong before TRT anyway and that's not mandatory. By far the biggest reason to try a high dose is the enhanced recovery effect. I am training MMA + Gym about 5 days a week. Before TRT this was literally killing my body and I couldn't maintain it for long periods of time. I was also getting injured far too often. I've spent a long time looking into it and made sure everything is proper. I always had a really good sleep, eating well, drinking a lot of water, training smart, etc. But nothing was helping. My body was recovering much slower than the average hobbyist in the sport. Then I found that I am hypo-gonadal and that was a perfect explanation of my problems.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I haven't had the chance to get back to MMA due to Covid yet, but I am really looking forward to it. For the moment I am hitting the gym hard and trying to get in a good shape. And a bit preemptively I decided to experiment with slightly higher TRT doses, to make sure my body will have plenty of hormones to improve the recovery rates. If that helps or I start getting bad side effects, I will make sure I reduce the dose and run something safer.</span></p><p></p><p>Most of your issues stemmed from the fact that you were hypogonadal.</p><p></p><p>Starting trt and using a dose of T which would allow you to attain a healthy TT/FT level would in and of itself have a positive impact mentally/physically.</p><p> </p><p>You are already using a high-end dosed trt protocol and seeing as you have low SHBG than your FT is most likely already really high.</p><p></p><p>You had blood work done but did not use the LC/MS-MS to see where your TT levels truly sit let alone your FT level.</p><p></p><p>Sure adding in the ND will enhance muscle/strength/recovery but this is not a trt/hrt protocol let alone stay on for the long-term.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">I don't think I have much residual tendinosis, but my tendons were getting upset from training very easily for sure. Do you think TRT/Nandrolone might help with that? If it does I plan to be running it long term, using the minimum dose I can afford to be symptom free at.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">And to contribute to the topic a bit more - I forgot to mention that my SHBG is really low as well - it's been staying around 12 for months now, and it wasn't much higher before starting TRT - around 16. So far injecting M/W/F works really well for me, I haven't tried a different frequency.</span></p><p></p><p>You may notice less pain but T nor ND will heal damaged tendons and higher doses may very well be detrimental to tendon health in the long run especially when used long term.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 180073, member: 13851"] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Yes, I understand that people have different views on the topic with dosing. I am just currently experimenting with higher doses - more on this a bit later.[/COLOR] I understand but the dose of ND you are adding to your high-end trt dose has nothing to do with trt/hrt. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]You are right, I am not safe forever. But as I said, I am running bloods every 4 weeks, so if things start getting south, I will cut the dose. I might do that anyway, just to be safe, even if things continue being good.[/COLOR] Again you are only 4 weeks in using a decanoate ester and have not reached steady state and you would need to give it 8-12 weeks to truly see how it affects blood markers. Even then 200mg T + 200mg ND/week is not a trt/hrt protocol. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]I ran several complete blood tests in the spawn of a few months before starting TRT and everything was good and fairly consistent. Hemoglobin was between 149 - 153 g/L and Hematocrit was between 44 - 46%. Those haven't changed significantly so far, as I stated. My Iron/Ferritin levels were good as well. I've never donated blood in my life.[/COLOR] Consider yourself one of the lucky few and 4 weeks in is way too early to see how ND will affect blood markers. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]You might be right, but as I couldn't find super solid information about the dose regarding joint pain relieve, I decided to go on the higher side to be safe. At least if it doesn't help at this dose, I would 100% know it's not because of the dose. Do you have some solid information that above 100mg is completely not necessary for joint pain?[/COLOR] The Lipschultz study. The dose of ND prescribed for joint pain/bone health is 50-100mg/week. You are kidding yourself if you think one needs an absurd dose of 200mg/week. Unfortunately jumping in feet first is for the eager and uninformed. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]That's kind of my case as well though, but in a slightly different context. [U]If I want to experiment with a higher those, it will be much wiser to use 200 Test / 200 Nandrolone compared to 400 Test. The chance is that the side effects will probably be much heavier in the latter case.[/U][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]True but again this would only be implemented when one is looking to enhance muscle/strength gains and has absolutely nothing to do with trt/hrt.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] I need to apologise by the way - I said no side effects, but in fact I have one. I started holding quite a bit of water - about 14 lbs or so since I started TRT. That is probably mostly due to the high dose of testosterone. It is fairly annoying in terms of appearance and I am looking at ways to manage that at the moment.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Not surprised and I bet your FT is through the roof as your SHBG is low.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Again I don't care much about muscle gain, I would prefer to stay around the same body weight. Some re-composition would be nice though, because I have quite a bit of fat still. Some strength gain will be nice, but I was quite strong before TRT anyway and that's not mandatory. By far the biggest reason to try a high dose is the enhanced recovery effect. I am training MMA + Gym about 5 days a week. Before TRT this was literally killing my body and I couldn't maintain it for long periods of time. I was also getting injured far too often. I've spent a long time looking into it and made sure everything is proper. I always had a really good sleep, eating well, drinking a lot of water, training smart, etc. But nothing was helping. My body was recovering much slower than the average hobbyist in the sport. Then I found that I am hypo-gonadal and that was a perfect explanation of my problems. I haven't had the chance to get back to MMA due to Covid yet, but I am really looking forward to it. For the moment I am hitting the gym hard and trying to get in a good shape. And a bit preemptively I decided to experiment with slightly higher TRT doses, to make sure my body will have plenty of hormones to improve the recovery rates. If that helps or I start getting bad side effects, I will make sure I reduce the dose and run something safer.[/COLOR] Most of your issues stemmed from the fact that you were hypogonadal. Starting trt and using a dose of T which would allow you to attain a healthy TT/FT level would in and of itself have a positive impact mentally/physically. You are already using a high-end dosed trt protocol and seeing as you have low SHBG than your FT is most likely already really high. You had blood work done but did not use the LC/MS-MS to see where your TT levels truly sit let alone your FT level. Sure adding in the ND will enhance muscle/strength/recovery but this is not a trt/hrt protocol let alone stay on for the long-term. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]I don't think I have much residual tendinosis, but my tendons were getting upset from training very easily for sure. Do you think TRT/Nandrolone might help with that? If it does I plan to be running it long term, using the minimum dose I can afford to be symptom free at. And to contribute to the topic a bit more - I forgot to mention that my SHBG is really low as well - it's been staying around 12 for months now, and it wasn't much higher before starting TRT - around 16. So far injecting M/W/F works really well for me, I haven't tried a different frequency.[/COLOR] You may notice less pain but T nor ND will heal damaged tendons and higher doses may very well be detrimental to tendon health in the long run especially when used long term. [/QUOTE]
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