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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
Left Ventricle Hypertrophy and Nandrolone ( Decadurabolin )
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<blockquote data-quote="Nelson Vergel" data-source="post: 58988" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>tdb</p><p></p><p>Great post! You have done your homework. I hope you stick around ExcelMale since we need more people who like digging into scientific references.</p><p></p><p>My answers:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">While some animal studies indicate there could be some adverse cardiac effects with long-term, supraphysiological nandrolone use the human studies, in my opinion, do not support this notion.</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span>NV: I agree. Most athletes that do not use testosterone or nandrolone have LVH. Anything that makes us use our hearts more would make LVH increase. Heart is muscle and, like any muscle, it can grow with exercise alone. In most cases, this is non-pathological and has little clinical significance provided your blood pressure and cardiovascular parameters are OK. I also suggest to every man on ExcelMale to get a yearly physical with an EKQ as a basic heart test.</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/114/15/1633" target="_blank">The Heart of Trained Athletes</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Nelson, I understand that you were using nandrolone for 10 years and I could not find any studies on animals or humans about the effect of such long-term use, so extra caution should be taken. But, if one were interested in cycling in </span><strong>100 mg nandrolone for 6-8 weeks every two years of a life-long 150 mg testosterone weekly TRT regimen, </strong>say for joint and tendon issues as well as anemia, and if one were managing their hematocrit and hemoglobin with blood donation, if blood pressure and cholesterol were monitored and kept normal, do you see any cause for concern that nandrolone might permanently damage the heart? Do you know of any other potentially fatal adverse effects that might be associated with this kind of nandrolone use? Do you have any other human studies that support your position?</p><p></p><p></p><p>NV: I see no harm if you control those parameters. Your dose is conservatively low anyway. I also assume you are under the care of an educated physician.</p><p>Read this information about nandrolone from other posts:</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?9186-All-About-Nandrolone" target="_blank">All About Nandrolone</a></strong></p><p></p><p>The main concern I have about the use of nandrolone, oxandrolone or higher dose TRT is the reduction of HDL. Unlike high hematocrit, increasing HDL is not as easy.</p><p></p><p>Just monitor your lipids. Some get good results with 500-1000 mg /day Niacin, citrus bergamot, and others.</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?3917-Supplements-that-lower-LDL-cholesterol-and-triglycerides-and-increase-HDL" target="_blank">Supplements that lower LDL cholesterol and triglycerides and increase HDL.</a></strong></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Finally, do you believe the use of low intensity endurance exercise,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>NV: Yes. I use medium weights and use mindful exercise with emphasis on slow concentric movements.</p><p></p><p>I have a few videos here: <strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?243-Exercise-Tips-to-Lose-Fat-and-Gain-Muscle" target="_blank">Exercise Tips to Lose Fat and Gain Muscle</a></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>diet,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>NV:<strong> <a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?8-Clean-nutrition-for-health-muscle-gain-and-fat-loss" target="_blank">Clean nutrition for health, muscle gain and fat loss.</a></strong></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>or supplementation with coq10 or d-ribose </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>NV: See post above on supplements. I love Coq10 also:</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?2970-Peter-Langsjoen-MD-discusses-why-we-should-take-Coenzyme-Q10" target="_blank">Peter Langsjoen, MD discusses why we should take Coenzyme Q10</a></strong></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>could be of benefit in preventing any potential unwanted cardiac effects, if one were to cycle nandrolone in the above stated manner?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>NV: I think so.<strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Nelson, what are your thoughts on decanoate vs phenylpropionate for 6-8 weeks of 100 mg/wk with test at 150 mg?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>NV: Good protocol used by several people on ExcelMale. I have never used the phenylpropionate ester, though. Remember that once you stop that cycle your testosterone will be shut down, so I am assuming you will stay on TRT.<strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Thank you for your time. I eagerly await your response(s).</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nelson Vergel, post: 58988, member: 3"] tdb Great post! You have done your homework. I hope you stick around ExcelMale since we need more people who like digging into scientific references. My answers: [COLOR=#333333]While some animal studies indicate there could be some adverse cardiac effects with long-term, supraphysiological nandrolone use the human studies, in my opinion, do not support this notion. [/COLOR]NV: I agree. Most athletes that do not use testosterone or nandrolone have LVH. Anything that makes us use our hearts more would make LVH increase. Heart is muscle and, like any muscle, it can grow with exercise alone. In most cases, this is non-pathological and has little clinical significance provided your blood pressure and cardiovascular parameters are OK. I also suggest to every man on ExcelMale to get a yearly physical with an EKQ as a basic heart test. [B][URL="http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/114/15/1633"]The Heart of Trained Athletes[/URL][/B] [COLOR=#333333]Nelson, I understand that you were using nandrolone for 10 years and I could not find any studies on animals or humans about the effect of such long-term use, so extra caution should be taken. But, if one were interested in cycling in [/COLOR][B]100 mg nandrolone for 6-8 weeks every two years of a life-long 150 mg testosterone weekly TRT regimen, [/B]say for joint and tendon issues as well as anemia, and if one were managing their hematocrit and hemoglobin with blood donation, if blood pressure and cholesterol were monitored and kept normal, do you see any cause for concern that nandrolone might permanently damage the heart? Do you know of any other potentially fatal adverse effects that might be associated with this kind of nandrolone use? Do you have any other human studies that support your position? NV: I see no harm if you control those parameters. Your dose is conservatively low anyway. I also assume you are under the care of an educated physician. Read this information about nandrolone from other posts: [B][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?9186-All-About-Nandrolone"]All About Nandrolone[/URL][/B] The main concern I have about the use of nandrolone, oxandrolone or higher dose TRT is the reduction of HDL. Unlike high hematocrit, increasing HDL is not as easy. Just monitor your lipids. Some get good results with 500-1000 mg /day Niacin, citrus bergamot, and others. [B][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?3917-Supplements-that-lower-LDL-cholesterol-and-triglycerides-and-increase-HDL"]Supplements that lower LDL cholesterol and triglycerides and increase HDL.[/URL][/B] [B] Finally, do you believe the use of low intensity endurance exercise, [/B]NV: Yes. I use medium weights and use mindful exercise with emphasis on slow concentric movements. I have a few videos here: [B][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?243-Exercise-Tips-to-Lose-Fat-and-Gain-Muscle"]Exercise Tips to Lose Fat and Gain Muscle[/URL][/B] [B] diet, [/B]NV:[B] [URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?8-Clean-nutrition-for-health-muscle-gain-and-fat-loss"]Clean nutrition for health, muscle gain and fat loss.[/URL][/B] [B] or supplementation with coq10 or d-ribose [/B]NV: See post above on supplements. I love Coq10 also: [B][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?2970-Peter-Langsjoen-MD-discusses-why-we-should-take-Coenzyme-Q10"]Peter Langsjoen, MD discusses why we should take Coenzyme Q10[/URL][/B] [B] could be of benefit in preventing any potential unwanted cardiac effects, if one were to cycle nandrolone in the above stated manner? [/B]NV: I think so.[B] Nelson, what are your thoughts on decanoate vs phenylpropionate for 6-8 weeks of 100 mg/wk with test at 150 mg? [/B] NV: Good protocol used by several people on ExcelMale. I have never used the phenylpropionate ester, though. Remember that once you stop that cycle your testosterone will be shut down, so I am assuming you will stay on TRT.[B] Thank you for your time. I eagerly await your response(s).[/B] [/QUOTE]
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Clinical Use of Anabolics and Hormones
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Left Ventricle Hypertrophy and Nandrolone ( Decadurabolin )
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