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<blockquote data-quote="Vettester Chris" data-source="post: 7601" data-attributes="member: 696"><p>John, welcome to EM. I'm reading what you put down, I know you're frustrated! It's good to see that you want to take a piece of your youth back!</p><p>If I may ask, what was your serum level? 500? 600? I'm more of a fan of actual blood serum for testosterone assays, but that's just my preference. John, don't take this wrong, but you're putting all your eggs into the testosterone nest. If we're going to focus on testosterone, then let's also look at free and bio-available test. Do you know where you sit on this? You could very well be sitting with some high SHBG finding a lot of free test is being tied up. Supplementing with therapy dosages of Vitamin D3 (or Drisdol D2 Script), plus possibly some Nettle Root can get that in order. For some, it could be the difference between 1% moving up to 2% (so basically doubling your actual free testosterone).</p><p>On your E2, you say "is a bit high", what does that mean? Again, IMO, there's too much focus on just this one variable. I don't see any thyroid numbers, LH or FSH, iron, cortisol, or a multitude of other labs from CBC's to Metabolic, which is all needed to help assess a diagnosis from a doctor's standpoint, and needed to engage in deeper discussion with this forum. You are paraphrasing quotes from Dr. Shippen .. Do you know what part of your axis is deficient? 500ng to 600ng might not be completely optimal, but it's not suppressed by any means. For me, I am at/around a 700ng/dl range, and I'm sitting a tad over 3% free test. </p><p>Again, congrats for grabbing this by the horns, but I suggest stepping back and looking at the whole picture of what is needed to help you attain your goal(s). If exogenous testosterone fits into that plan, excellent, but it could be more of complication if the other variables are not being considered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vettester Chris, post: 7601, member: 696"] John, welcome to EM. I'm reading what you put down, I know you're frustrated! It's good to see that you want to take a piece of your youth back! If I may ask, what was your serum level? 500? 600? I'm more of a fan of actual blood serum for testosterone assays, but that's just my preference. John, don't take this wrong, but you're putting all your eggs into the testosterone nest. If we're going to focus on testosterone, then let's also look at free and bio-available test. Do you know where you sit on this? You could very well be sitting with some high SHBG finding a lot of free test is being tied up. Supplementing with therapy dosages of Vitamin D3 (or Drisdol D2 Script), plus possibly some Nettle Root can get that in order. For some, it could be the difference between 1% moving up to 2% (so basically doubling your actual free testosterone). On your E2, you say "is a bit high", what does that mean? Again, IMO, there's too much focus on just this one variable. I don't see any thyroid numbers, LH or FSH, iron, cortisol, or a multitude of other labs from CBC's to Metabolic, which is all needed to help assess a diagnosis from a doctor's standpoint, and needed to engage in deeper discussion with this forum. You are paraphrasing quotes from Dr. Shippen .. Do you know what part of your axis is deficient? 500ng to 600ng might not be completely optimal, but it's not suppressed by any means. For me, I am at/around a 700ng/dl range, and I'm sitting a tad over 3% free test. Again, congrats for grabbing this by the horns, but I suggest stepping back and looking at the whole picture of what is needed to help you attain your goal(s). If exogenous testosterone fits into that plan, excellent, but it could be more of complication if the other variables are not being considered. [/QUOTE]
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