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is Soy really bad for us?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gianluca" data-source="post: 129508" data-attributes="member: 15469"><p>I keep bumping into data of how Soy Phytoestrogens are good for us, men and women, but the best HRT doc's out there (TOTRoundtable) say the opposite, even the king of HRT Dr John Crisler is against them, so if he is against it there must be something true for sure. </p><p></p><p>To my understanding one of the problems is that Phytoestrogen "mimic" estrogen activity in the body and also they can increase Estradiol, knowing the Alpha and Beta Estrogen receptor story and how A is the bed one having E ducking on it and causing different type of Cancer, and Phytoestrogen, the weak E, ducking at the B receptor decreasing the chance of things like Prostate and Breast cancer, was debunked, as more than one Doc at round table said "adding weaker estrogen is like adding a weaker poison to the poison", how is that? </p><p></p><p>Jerry Brainum, for those who don't know him, a well known writer, debunked the fact the Soy increase Estradiol levels in the blood, really want to see the study but I believe his judgment 100% better than mine on this. If I remember correctly Jerry mentioned that you really need to drink like 2 or 3 gallons per day of soymilk to really increase Estradiol. Below a link with a podcast with him talking about this.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://mikemahler.com/podcast/episode-225-jerry-brainum-returns-to-help-put-an-end-to-the-soy-controversy-and-shares-what-he-learned-from-vince-gironda-on-optimal-training?fbclid=IwAR0UiunqK82GesF8PuV0chGGHYA0vMwTWB_iirOLEl0jQWgLz4ptCZ5xWvc" target="_blank">Episode 225: Jerry Brainum returns to help put an end to the soy controversy and shares what he learned from Vince Gironda on optimal training - Mahler's Aggressive Strength</a></p><p></p><p>Below a few interesting studies and some material from LifeExtetion as well for those who like to read a little.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Serum prostate-specific antigen but not testosterone levels decrease in a randomized soy intervention among men:</strong></span></p><p> <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/1602473?fbclid=IwAR2m0OliP9WLbkW3_catSIk_pav6CNzyaNc1PvAHqGVUsYWkLYBUqOztWIs" target="_blank">Serum prostate-specific antigen but not testosterone levels decrease in a randomized soy intervention among men</a></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training.</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30042516?dopt=Abstract&fbclid=IwAR0GnGjfz3O5jlLxuLYK4-lIOsDdpm2I1HFJB2Ye3SWTFRmFjT8kMOwiQeE" target="_blank">Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training. - PubMed - NCBI</a></strong></span></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2010/7/Is-Soy-Safe/Page-01" target="_blank">Is Soy Safe - page 1 | Life Extension Magazine</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2007/CE/report_breastProstate/Page-02" target="_blank">Reduce Breast and Prostate Cancer - page 2 | Life Extension</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gianluca, post: 129508, member: 15469"] I keep bumping into data of how Soy Phytoestrogens are good for us, men and women, but the best HRT doc's out there (TOTRoundtable) say the opposite, even the king of HRT Dr John Crisler is against them, so if he is against it there must be something true for sure. To my understanding one of the problems is that Phytoestrogen "mimic" estrogen activity in the body and also they can increase Estradiol, knowing the Alpha and Beta Estrogen receptor story and how A is the bed one having E ducking on it and causing different type of Cancer, and Phytoestrogen, the weak E, ducking at the B receptor decreasing the chance of things like Prostate and Breast cancer, was debunked, as more than one Doc at round table said "adding weaker estrogen is like adding a weaker poison to the poison", how is that? Jerry Brainum, for those who don't know him, a well known writer, debunked the fact the Soy increase Estradiol levels in the blood, really want to see the study but I believe his judgment 100% better than mine on this. If I remember correctly Jerry mentioned that you really need to drink like 2 or 3 gallons per day of soymilk to really increase Estradiol. Below a link with a podcast with him talking about this. [URL="https://mikemahler.com/podcast/episode-225-jerry-brainum-returns-to-help-put-an-end-to-the-soy-controversy-and-shares-what-he-learned-from-vince-gironda-on-optimal-training?fbclid=IwAR0UiunqK82GesF8PuV0chGGHYA0vMwTWB_iirOLEl0jQWgLz4ptCZ5xWvc"]Episode 225: Jerry Brainum returns to help put an end to the soy controversy and shares what he learned from Vince Gironda on optimal training - Mahler's Aggressive Strength[/URL] Below a few interesting studies and some material from LifeExtetion as well for those who like to read a little. [SIZE=12px][B]Serum prostate-specific antigen but not testosterone levels decrease in a randomized soy intervention among men:[/B][/SIZE] [URL="https://www.nature.com/articles/1602473?fbclid=IwAR2m0OliP9WLbkW3_catSIk_pav6CNzyaNc1PvAHqGVUsYWkLYBUqOztWIs"]Serum prostate-specific antigen but not testosterone levels decrease in a randomized soy intervention among men[/URL] [SIZE=12px][B]Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training.[/B] [B][URL="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30042516?dopt=Abstract&fbclid=IwAR0GnGjfz3O5jlLxuLYK4-lIOsDdpm2I1HFJB2Ye3SWTFRmFjT8kMOwiQeE"]Soy protein supplementation is not androgenic or estrogenic in college-aged men when combined with resistance exercise training. - PubMed - NCBI[/URL][/B][/SIZE] [URL="https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2010/7/Is-Soy-Safe/Page-01"]Is Soy Safe - page 1 | Life Extension Magazine[/URL] [URL="https://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2007/CE/report_breastProstate/Page-02"]Reduce Breast and Prostate Cancer - page 2 | Life Extension[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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