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<blockquote data-quote="Jason Sypolt" data-source="post: 71575" data-attributes="member: 13328"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Finally, the test results are back. Here is a comparison of lab results along with subjective changes. For reference, I am 38 years old. My SHBG is currently at 17.4 nmol/l, down from 21.9 last summer.</span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">10/25/2016 </span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- T Cyp 80mg every 3.5 days (Shallow IM, 1/2" 28g insulin syringe)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Anastrozole/DIM 0.5mg/200mg every 3.5 days</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- HCG 250IU every other day</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- DHEA 25mg twice daily</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Total Testosterone: 584 (348-1197)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Free Testosterone: 21.1 (8.7-25.1)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Estradiol LC/MS: 10.7 (8.0-35.0)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">DHT: 41 (30-85)</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Feels like I'm injecting water. Some weight loss with heavy cardio. Body fat is 26.9%. Minimal to no changes in muscle. Energy/libido start dropping around noon and gone by 5-6pm. Pretty bad acne on back and shoulders. The AI obviously crashed my E2, that certainly doesn't help things but I felt the exact same over the summer as when E2 was in the 20's and 30's, so that wasn't the determining factor for not really feeling anything. I do feel better than not on TRT though. I stopped the AI for a couple of months after seeing these results. Over last summer/fall I had also tried 60, 70, and 75mg BIW before being increased to 80mg BIW that you see in these results. Every time the dose went up, Total T would come out lower and lower. </span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">12/08/2016</span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- T Cyp 20mg every day (Sub-Q, 5/16" 30g insulin syringe)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- HCG 250IU every other day</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- DHEA 25mg twice daily</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Total Testosterone: 999 (348-1197)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Free Testosterone: 22 (8.7-25.1)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Estradiol LC/MS: 39.4 (8.0-35.0)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">DHT: 47 (30-85)</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">A little bit more energy. No change in libido. Not really tired until 2-3pm and then energy drops off pretty fast. Less body fat (23.3%) and some muscle definition starting to appear. Still have acne, sometimes down to my biceps. I went from wearing large to medium shirts. Free T % is actually much lower now, but this is a small improvement.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>4/25/2017</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- T Prop 18mg every day (Sub-Q, 5/16" 30g insulin syringe)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Anastrozole 0.125mg every 3.5 days</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- HCG 250IU every other day</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- DHEA 25mg twice daily</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Total Testosterone: 712 (348-1197)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Free Testosterone: 17.1 (8.7-25.1)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Estradiol LC/MS: 20.9 (8.0-35.0)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">DHT: 28 (30-85)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">My energy level has definitely increased and there is maybe a little libido increase. I feel a lot more alert. Energy level stays high until 10-11pm, and I don't tire nearly as quickly doing activities like yard work and exercise. I feel like this is more like my younger self. Acne better. Body fat is lower (19.7%) and muscle definition has increased. There is more of a visual change in body composition. Maybe there is some truth to the Cypionate ester causing bloat that I've seen mentioned occasionally. You look at the daily T Cyp results and think that should be a lot better going by the numbers, but that was not te case at all. I just felt numb on T Cyp, even when around 700-800 range. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I've searched all over for lab comparisons involving different esters for guys who just aren't feeling the benefits of TRT that others do. Hopefully this helps some people out who are looking for a comparison. By the way, injecting Propionate does not sting at all in the small amounts that I'm using.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">For me though, this raises even more questions. I'm actually a bit surprised at the Propionate results and how Total/Free T are not higher given the faster absorption. I expected much higher FT. There is not a lot of SHBG to bind to, and it obviously isn't converting to DHT or Estradiol. DHT and Estradiol actually fell off a cliff. Albumin is normal. Where is the T going? Maybe I metabolize it so fast that BID injections would be better? Or maybe there is something genetic going on.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jason Sypolt, post: 71575, member: 13328"] [FONT=arial]Finally, the test results are back. Here is a comparison of lab results along with subjective changes. For reference, I am 38 years old. My SHBG is currently at 17.4 nmol/l, down from 21.9 last summer.[/FONT] [B][FONT=arial]10/25/2016 [/FONT][/B] [FONT=arial]- T Cyp 80mg every 3.5 days (Shallow IM, 1/2" 28g insulin syringe)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- Anastrozole/DIM 0.5mg/200mg every 3.5 days[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- HCG 250IU every other day[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- DHEA 25mg twice daily[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Total Testosterone: 584 (348-1197)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Free Testosterone: 21.1 (8.7-25.1)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Estradiol LC/MS: 10.7 (8.0-35.0)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]DHT: 41 (30-85)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Feels like I'm injecting water. Some weight loss with heavy cardio. Body fat is 26.9%. Minimal to no changes in muscle. Energy/libido start dropping around noon and gone by 5-6pm. Pretty bad acne on back and shoulders. The AI obviously crashed my E2, that certainly doesn't help things but I felt the exact same over the summer as when E2 was in the 20's and 30's, so that wasn't the determining factor for not really feeling anything. I do feel better than not on TRT though. I stopped the AI for a couple of months after seeing these results. Over last summer/fall I had also tried 60, 70, and 75mg BIW before being increased to 80mg BIW that you see in these results. Every time the dose went up, Total T would come out lower and lower. [/FONT] [B][FONT=arial]12/08/2016[/FONT][/B] [FONT=arial]- T Cyp 20mg every day (Sub-Q, 5/16" 30g insulin syringe)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- HCG 250IU every other day[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- DHEA 25mg twice daily[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Total Testosterone: 999 (348-1197)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Free Testosterone: 22 (8.7-25.1)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Estradiol LC/MS: 39.4 (8.0-35.0)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]DHT: 47 (30-85)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]A little bit more energy. No change in libido. Not really tired until 2-3pm and then energy drops off pretty fast. Less body fat (23.3%) and some muscle definition starting to appear. Still have acne, sometimes down to my biceps. I went from wearing large to medium shirts. Free T % is actually much lower now, but this is a small improvement.[/FONT] [FONT=arial] [B]4/25/2017[/B][/FONT] [FONT=arial]- T Prop 18mg every day (Sub-Q, 5/16" 30g insulin syringe)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- Anastrozole 0.125mg every 3.5 days[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- HCG 250IU every other day[/FONT] [FONT=arial]- DHEA 25mg twice daily[/FONT] [FONT=arial] Total Testosterone: 712 (348-1197)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Free Testosterone: 17.1 (8.7-25.1)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]Estradiol LC/MS: 20.9 (8.0-35.0)[/FONT] [FONT=arial]DHT: 28 (30-85) My energy level has definitely increased and there is maybe a little libido increase. I feel a lot more alert. Energy level stays high until 10-11pm, and I don't tire nearly as quickly doing activities like yard work and exercise. I feel like this is more like my younger self. Acne better. Body fat is lower (19.7%) and muscle definition has increased. There is more of a visual change in body composition. Maybe there is some truth to the Cypionate ester causing bloat that I've seen mentioned occasionally. You look at the daily T Cyp results and think that should be a lot better going by the numbers, but that was not te case at all. I just felt numb on T Cyp, even when around 700-800 range. [/FONT] [FONT=arial] I've searched all over for lab comparisons involving different esters for guys who just aren't feeling the benefits of TRT that others do. Hopefully this helps some people out who are looking for a comparison. By the way, injecting Propionate does not sting at all in the small amounts that I'm using.[/FONT] [FONT=arial] For me though, this raises even more questions. I'm actually a bit surprised at the Propionate results and how Total/Free T are not higher given the faster absorption. I expected much higher FT. There is not a lot of SHBG to bind to, and it obviously isn't converting to DHT or Estradiol. DHT and Estradiol actually fell off a cliff. Albumin is normal. Where is the T going? Maybe I metabolize it so fast that BID injections would be better? Or maybe there is something genetic going on.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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