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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
How to Improve Sperm Quality, LH, FSH and Testosterone in Infertile Men
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<blockquote data-quote="Sides" data-source="post: 159420" data-attributes="member: 31749"><p>Juice7, you are correct that HCG supresses secretion of LH. But that's OK on a HCG + Clomid treatment, because HCG is an analogue of LH and acts the same way as LH in stimulating the Leydig cells to produce high levels of intra-testicular testosterone. In this case, Clomid acts to stimulate the secretion of FSH, which stimulates the Sertoli cells to produce more sperm. So HCG + Clomid is a viable approach that works for many men.</p><p></p><p>As I showed with the study above, I don't believe that HCG + Clomid works nearly as well as HCG + HMG/FSH, but of course it would be much less expensive. Clomid is dirt cheap, while HMG and FSH are expensive. But I also believe they are much more effective, so they may be worth the extra expense. I know that they certainly were worth the expense for me.</p><p></p><p>In your case, you did very well on Clomid monotherapy, with a sperm count of 180 million, so that's a well-proven and viable option for you. But as you noticed, Clomid makes many men feel terrible. I know in my case, all it did for me was make me feel bad and raise my SHBG. So Test + HCG + FSH may be worth it to you, even with the extra cost, just so you feel better.</p><p></p><p>You are lucky to have a doctor who is willing to prescribe you FSH. If you decide to go that route, in most cases insurance won't pay for the FSH, as they don't pay for many fertility meds for men. If that is the case, I would recommend FSH from Empower Pharmacy, a compounding pharmacy in Texas, rather than name brand Gonal-F. I had to buy Gonal-F for my wife when we were going through our IVF procedure, and even with a discount from the fertility pharmacy, a 900iu pen of Gonal-F cost me $714, if I remember correctly. On the other hand, a 1200iu vial of FSH from Empower Pharmacy only cost me $325. I know the price has gone up slightly since then, and Empower now has 1500iu vials of FSH instead of 1200iu vials, but Empower still has the best prices you will find on fertility meds here in America.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/fsh-injection.html" target="_blank">FSH INJECTION | Compounding Pharmacy - Empower Pharmacy</a> </p><p></p><p>And according to this study in the April 2018 issue of the Journal of Urology, compounded FSH from Empower Pharmacy was just as effective as name-brand Gonal-F, at a fraction of the price ($2.20 average price per unit for Gonal-F, versus $0.20 per unit for compounded FSH from Empower.)</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.auajournals.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.juro.2018.02.3074" target="_blank">American Urological Association</a> </p><p></p><p>At that price for FSH from Empower, I would definitely consider Test + HCG + FSH over Clomid monotherapy, just because you will feel much better. Print out the links and show them to your doctor, and see what she thinks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sides, post: 159420, member: 31749"] Juice7, you are correct that HCG supresses secretion of LH. But that's OK on a HCG + Clomid treatment, because HCG is an analogue of LH and acts the same way as LH in stimulating the Leydig cells to produce high levels of intra-testicular testosterone. In this case, Clomid acts to stimulate the secretion of FSH, which stimulates the Sertoli cells to produce more sperm. So HCG + Clomid is a viable approach that works for many men. As I showed with the study above, I don't believe that HCG + Clomid works nearly as well as HCG + HMG/FSH, but of course it would be much less expensive. Clomid is dirt cheap, while HMG and FSH are expensive. But I also believe they are much more effective, so they may be worth the extra expense. I know that they certainly were worth the expense for me. In your case, you did very well on Clomid monotherapy, with a sperm count of 180 million, so that's a well-proven and viable option for you. But as you noticed, Clomid makes many men feel terrible. I know in my case, all it did for me was make me feel bad and raise my SHBG. So Test + HCG + FSH may be worth it to you, even with the extra cost, just so you feel better. You are lucky to have a doctor who is willing to prescribe you FSH. If you decide to go that route, in most cases insurance won't pay for the FSH, as they don't pay for many fertility meds for men. If that is the case, I would recommend FSH from Empower Pharmacy, a compounding pharmacy in Texas, rather than name brand Gonal-F. I had to buy Gonal-F for my wife when we were going through our IVF procedure, and even with a discount from the fertility pharmacy, a 900iu pen of Gonal-F cost me $714, if I remember correctly. On the other hand, a 1200iu vial of FSH from Empower Pharmacy only cost me $325. I know the price has gone up slightly since then, and Empower now has 1500iu vials of FSH instead of 1200iu vials, but Empower still has the best prices you will find on fertility meds here in America. [URL="https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drugs/fsh-injection.html"]FSH INJECTION | Compounding Pharmacy - Empower Pharmacy[/URL] And according to this study in the April 2018 issue of the Journal of Urology, compounded FSH from Empower Pharmacy was just as effective as name-brand Gonal-F, at a fraction of the price ($2.20 average price per unit for Gonal-F, versus $0.20 per unit for compounded FSH from Empower.) [URL="https://www.auajournals.org/doi/full/10.1016/j.juro.2018.02.3074"]American Urological Association[/URL] At that price for FSH from Empower, I would definitely consider Test + HCG + FSH over Clomid monotherapy, just because you will feel much better. Print out the links and show them to your doctor, and see what she thinks. [/QUOTE]
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