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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
How to Improve Sperm Quality, LH, FSH and Testosterone in Infertile Men
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<blockquote data-quote="Sides" data-source="post: 159331" data-attributes="member: 31749"><p>I believe the answer to your question, as it is for so many things in life, is "it depends." In this case, it mostly depends how old you are, and how long you have been using testosterone and had your HPTA suppressed.</p><p></p><p>Clomid and stopping T is certainly much cheaper, but I don't believe it is nearly as effective as running HCG and HMG or FSH, especially if you have been on T for a long time.</p><p></p><p>Look at this study:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5292276/" target="_blank">Age and Duration of Testosterone Therapy Predict Time to Return of Sperm Count after hCG Therapy</a> </p><p></p><p>66 men who had been using testosterone for years were instructed to stop using testosterone and were treated using 3000iu of HCG per week, and either Clomid or Nolvadex. 46 of those men (70%) eventually reached a total motile sperm count of over 5 million, the generally accepted minimum sperm count for IUI.</p><p></p><p>So getting off T, and using HCG and Clomid does work. But the degree to which it works depends on the age of the man, and the length of time that the man has been on testosterone.</p><p></p><p>Look at Figure 1 of the study. Someone like me, who is over 50 years old, and has been on testosterone for over 10 years, would only have a 15.6% chance of reaching 5 million sperm count by six months, and a 34.1% chance of reaching 5 million sperm count in one year, if they stopped using T and started using HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex.</p><p></p><p>I'm 51 years old, and I've been using testosterone and other anabolic steroids for over 27 years now. And in only eleven months, I reached a sperm count of 31 million per ml, and successfully impregnated my wife. And I never stopped using T at all, and I only used HMG for the last 4 months of my 11 month protocol.</p><p></p><p>So in my own experience, either I am an extreme statistical outlier, or T + HCG + HMG/FSH is greatly superior to stopping T and just using HCG plus Clomid.</p><p></p><p>Clomid is cheap, but in my opinion not nearly as effective as using HCG + HMG/FSH.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sides, post: 159331, member: 31749"] I believe the answer to your question, as it is for so many things in life, is "it depends." In this case, it mostly depends how old you are, and how long you have been using testosterone and had your HPTA suppressed. Clomid and stopping T is certainly much cheaper, but I don't believe it is nearly as effective as running HCG and HMG or FSH, especially if you have been on T for a long time. Look at this study: [URL="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5292276/"]Age and Duration of Testosterone Therapy Predict Time to Return of Sperm Count after hCG Therapy[/URL] 66 men who had been using testosterone for years were instructed to stop using testosterone and were treated using 3000iu of HCG per week, and either Clomid or Nolvadex. 46 of those men (70%) eventually reached a total motile sperm count of over 5 million, the generally accepted minimum sperm count for IUI. So getting off T, and using HCG and Clomid does work. But the degree to which it works depends on the age of the man, and the length of time that the man has been on testosterone. Look at Figure 1 of the study. Someone like me, who is over 50 years old, and has been on testosterone for over 10 years, would only have a 15.6% chance of reaching 5 million sperm count by six months, and a 34.1% chance of reaching 5 million sperm count in one year, if they stopped using T and started using HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex. I'm 51 years old, and I've been using testosterone and other anabolic steroids for over 27 years now. And in only eleven months, I reached a sperm count of 31 million per ml, and successfully impregnated my wife. And I never stopped using T at all, and I only used HMG for the last 4 months of my 11 month protocol. So in my own experience, either I am an extreme statistical outlier, or T + HCG + HMG/FSH is greatly superior to stopping T and just using HCG plus Clomid. Clomid is cheap, but in my opinion not nearly as effective as using HCG + HMG/FSH. [/QUOTE]
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