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High hematocrit prevalence with intranasal vs. intramuscular testosterone
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<blockquote data-quote="tareload" data-source="post: 188516"><p>Going to try and recover (rather than maintain) my HPG via a troche rather than testosterone nasal gel. I'll report back my results.</p><p></p><p>Interesting reading:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/cmt.6.2.104.111[/URL]</p><p></p><p>If one is methodical with the troche, my bet is you can also simulate multiple pulses per day (I'll probably just see if I can live with one in the AM to start) with the troche.</p><p></p><p>For someone who may be secondary (HH), this could be an interesting approach to potential maintain the LF/FSH you have and then supplement with some exogenous T. I aim to find out and potentially maintain upstream pathways. I've corrected the Hct issue by dropping to 60 mg/wk of Test Cyp (once weekly sub-q) but this could be an interesting alternative. With appropriate protocol, the theory and data below show some promise.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/cmt.6.2.104.111" target="_blank">Pharmacokinetics of estradiol, progesterone, testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone after transbuccal administration to postmenopausal women</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]11012[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]11013[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]11014[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]11011[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>With this type of pulse (and starting at one a day), test and see if you recover LH/FSH. Then ramp up to two or more and repeat until LH inhibition appears. I can say that going cold turkey for a month was no fun (Total T came back at 87 ng/dL). After that experience I now know what true testosterone deficiency is.</p><p></p><p>Thanks very much to a very intelligent and kind physician for working with me on this. Would make for a very good paper even if anecdotal and give partial HH guys another option to do TRT while also potentially preserving whatever LH/FSH they have. I don't claim to understand the total long-term value of preserving whatever LH/FSH function you have (diurnal pulsing) vs shutdown with test ester.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for starting this thread [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] and for your discussion [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tareload, post: 188516"] Going to try and recover (rather than maintain) my HPG via a troche rather than testosterone nasal gel. I'll report back my results. Interesting reading: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/cmt.6.2.104.111[/URL] If one is methodical with the troche, my bet is you can also simulate multiple pulses per day (I'll probably just see if I can live with one in the AM to start) with the troche. For someone who may be secondary (HH), this could be an interesting approach to potential maintain the LF/FSH you have and then supplement with some exogenous T. I aim to find out and potentially maintain upstream pathways. I've corrected the Hct issue by dropping to 60 mg/wk of Test Cyp (once weekly sub-q) but this could be an interesting alternative. With appropriate protocol, the theory and data below show some promise. [URL='https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/cmt.6.2.104.111']Pharmacokinetics of estradiol, progesterone, testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone after transbuccal administration to postmenopausal women[/URL] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1602099204750.png"]11012[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1602099265665.png"]11013[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1602099549367.png"]11014[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full" alt="1602099171712.png"]11011[/ATTACH] With this type of pulse (and starting at one a day), test and see if you recover LH/FSH. Then ramp up to two or more and repeat until LH inhibition appears. I can say that going cold turkey for a month was no fun (Total T came back at 87 ng/dL). After that experience I now know what true testosterone deficiency is. Thanks very much to a very intelligent and kind physician for working with me on this. Would make for a very good paper even if anecdotal and give partial HH guys another option to do TRT while also potentially preserving whatever LH/FSH they have. I don't claim to understand the total long-term value of preserving whatever LH/FSH function you have (diurnal pulsing) vs shutdown with test ester. Thanks for starting this thread [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] and for your discussion [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER] [/QUOTE]
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