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HELP...TRT Results Changing Over Time - Would greatly appreciate some input
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<blockquote data-quote="Ardoc" data-source="post: 65767" data-attributes="member: 12171"><p>I have been on TRT for over 4 years with generally good results. It does seem that I have to keep tweaking my protocol to maintain good levels of hormones and feel good. It also seems that I feel best in the first weeks that I am adapting to a change in protocol. All the following tests were done just prior to my next injection. For reference my T3 and T4 maintain in the upper 3rd of the range and TSH maintains in the lower quarter of the range. I have not tested Reverse T3 or antibodies.</p><p></p><p>When I first started I had great results using;</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Nov. 2012</strong></u> </p><p>120mg Test Enanthate (once per week) <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">Deep IM into Quad</span></strong> </p><p>1mg Anastrozole (.5mg - E3.5D)</p><p>500iu HCG (250iu - E3.5D) <strong><span style="color: #ff0000">SQ</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>TT </strong> 790 ng/dl RANGE: 242 - 829</p><p><strong>FT</strong> 23.7 pg/ml RANGE: 7.2 - 24</p><p><strong>E2</strong> 25.6 pg/ml RANGE: <35 (No sensitive test in Canada)</p><p><strong>DHT</strong> >250 ng/dl RANGE: 25 - 98 (I was over the high end of the test capabilities)</p><p><strong>SHBG </strong>1.2 ug/dl RANGE: 1 - 3</p><p></p><p>*I was not yet aware of starting without Anastrozole and only adding if needed. This crashed my E2 over time. I now do not take any Adex.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Attempting to maintain levels of TT and FT over the next few years I bumped and split my dosage a few times. The second most recent labs were; </p><p></p><p><u><strong>Aug. 2016</strong></u> </p><p>180mg Test Cypionate (90mg - E3.5D) <strong><span style="color: #FF0000">Deep IM into Quad</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #FF0000"></span></strong>1000iu HCG (500iu - E3.5D) <strong><span style="color: #ff0000">SQ</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>TT</strong> 516 ng/dl RANGE: 242 - 829</p><p><strong>FT</strong> 170 pg/ml RANGE: 51 - 137 (NOT SURE WHY THE FT TEST CHANGED IN CANADA??)</p><p><strong>E2 </strong> 38.5 pg/ml RANGE: <35 (No sensitive test in Canada)</p><p><strong>DHT</strong> 94 ng/dl RANGE: 25 - 98</p><p></p><p>Due to my lack of trust in the Canadian tests I got the following done through <u><strong>Discounted Labs;</strong></u></p><p></p><p><u><strong>Mar. 2017</strong></u> <strong><span style="color: #ff0000">Shallow IM into Quad with Insulin syringe - Both combined in one syringe</span></strong></p><p>154mg Test Enanthate (44mg E2D) - reduced total from previous as more frequent injs minimize troughs and increased frequency to counteract assumedly low SHBG (confirming with test in two weeks)</p><p>980iu HCG (280iu E2D)</p><p></p><p><strong>TT</strong> 433 ng/dl RANGE: 348 - 1197</p><p><strong>FT </strong> 16.8 pg/ml RANGE: 7.2 - 24</p><p><strong>E2</strong> 33.3 pg/ml RANGE: 8 - 35</p><p><strong>DHT</strong> 22 ng/dl RANGE: 30 - 85 (low)</p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>NOTES:</strong> </p><p>I am in Canada and have converted the values to what is most familiar here. </p><p>I have a local specialist/doctor that has some experience with TRT for Men, a lot for women and who is open-minded and learns along with me. We use this forum along with Nelson's and Dr. Crisler's books to guide our efforts. She truly see's this as a team effort and I feel fortunate that she listens to my input and reads the material I provide and is willing to try most things that do not put me over-range. </p><p>Also I have switched between Cypionate and Enanthate due to availability issues but don't think that is an issue?</p><p>Could the change to shallow IM be a factor here?</p><p></p><p>I am not feeling too bad but certainly not as good as in the past. I am intending to stay at E2D injections and bump the Test a bit to see if I can get both TT and FT to good levels <u>before</u> moving to daily injections.</p><p></p><p><strong>Any suggested next steps or questions?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Thank you in advance to anyone with input and to all the participants here who make this lifelong challenge easier!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ardoc, post: 65767, member: 12171"] I have been on TRT for over 4 years with generally good results. It does seem that I have to keep tweaking my protocol to maintain good levels of hormones and feel good. It also seems that I feel best in the first weeks that I am adapting to a change in protocol. All the following tests were done just prior to my next injection. For reference my T3 and T4 maintain in the upper 3rd of the range and TSH maintains in the lower quarter of the range. I have not tested Reverse T3 or antibodies. When I first started I had great results using; [U][B]Nov. 2012[/B][/U] 120mg Test Enanthate (once per week) [B][COLOR=#FF0000]Deep IM into Quad[/COLOR][/B] 1mg Anastrozole (.5mg - E3.5D) 500iu HCG (250iu - E3.5D) [B][COLOR=#ff0000]SQ[/COLOR][/B] [B]TT [/B] 790 ng/dl RANGE: 242 - 829 [B]FT[/B] 23.7 pg/ml RANGE: 7.2 - 24 [B]E2[/B] 25.6 pg/ml RANGE: <35 (No sensitive test in Canada) [B]DHT[/B] >250 ng/dl RANGE: 25 - 98 (I was over the high end of the test capabilities) [B]SHBG [/B]1.2 ug/dl RANGE: 1 - 3 *I was not yet aware of starting without Anastrozole and only adding if needed. This crashed my E2 over time. I now do not take any Adex. Attempting to maintain levels of TT and FT over the next few years I bumped and split my dosage a few times. The second most recent labs were; [U][B]Aug. 2016[/B][/U] 180mg Test Cypionate (90mg - E3.5D) [B][COLOR=#FF0000]Deep IM into Quad [/COLOR][/B]1000iu HCG (500iu - E3.5D) [B][COLOR=#ff0000]SQ[/COLOR][/B] [B]TT[/B] 516 ng/dl RANGE: 242 - 829 [B]FT[/B] 170 pg/ml RANGE: 51 - 137 (NOT SURE WHY THE FT TEST CHANGED IN CANADA??) [B]E2 [/B] 38.5 pg/ml RANGE: <35 (No sensitive test in Canada) [B]DHT[/B] 94 ng/dl RANGE: 25 - 98 Due to my lack of trust in the Canadian tests I got the following done through [U][B]Discounted Labs;[/B][/U] [U][B]Mar. 2017[/B][/U] [B][COLOR=#ff0000]Shallow IM into Quad with Insulin syringe - Both combined in one syringe[/COLOR][/B] 154mg Test Enanthate (44mg E2D) - reduced total from previous as more frequent injs minimize troughs and increased frequency to counteract assumedly low SHBG (confirming with test in two weeks) 980iu HCG (280iu E2D) [B]TT[/B] 433 ng/dl RANGE: 348 - 1197 [B]FT [/B] 16.8 pg/ml RANGE: 7.2 - 24 [B]E2[/B] 33.3 pg/ml RANGE: 8 - 35 [B]DHT[/B] 22 ng/dl RANGE: 30 - 85 (low) [B] NOTES:[/B] I am in Canada and have converted the values to what is most familiar here. I have a local specialist/doctor that has some experience with TRT for Men, a lot for women and who is open-minded and learns along with me. We use this forum along with Nelson's and Dr. Crisler's books to guide our efforts. She truly see's this as a team effort and I feel fortunate that she listens to my input and reads the material I provide and is willing to try most things that do not put me over-range. Also I have switched between Cypionate and Enanthate due to availability issues but don't think that is an issue? Could the change to shallow IM be a factor here? I am not feeling too bad but certainly not as good as in the past. I am intending to stay at E2D injections and bump the Test a bit to see if I can get both TT and FT to good levels [U]before[/U] moving to daily injections. [B]Any suggested next steps or questions? [/B] Thank you in advance to anyone with input and to all the participants here who make this lifelong challenge easier!!! [/QUOTE]
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