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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
HCG restart attempt.
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<blockquote data-quote="JRos895" data-source="post: 213755" data-attributes="member: 43163"><p>Thank you for the comprehensive reply [USER=13851]@madman[/USER].</p><p></p><p>Part of the reason I ask is I’ve been very interested in Dr. Saya’s fertility rankings posted below (<a href="https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg126482#msg126482" target="_blank">HCG Monotherapy to Clomid Ratio For Fertility</a>):</p><p></p><p>“1. Clomid/SERM treatment</p><p>2(A). HCG + HMG (or lyophilized FSH)</p><p>2(B). Baseline no treatment (no HPTA suppression via TRT, AAS, HCG mono, etc) - assuming no significant degree of primary/secondary/tertiary dysfunction.</p><p>3(A). HCG monotherapy (does in fact result in HPTA suppression, especially at higher doses, but *may* move up to #2 in select cases of SECONDARY/TERTIARY hypogonadism)</p><p>3(B). TRT + HCG (as we know many men are still able to maintain adequate fertility to conceive)</p><p>4. TRT/AAS with no concurrent HCG.”</p><p></p><p>My question is—couldn’t TRT+HCG in some cases be better for fertility than higher dose HCG Monotherapy? </p><p></p><p>I assume <a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/what-is-the-best-dose-of-hcg-dr-saya-presents-two-case-studies.6133/" target="_blank">Dr Saya</a> ([USER=12687]@Dr Justin Saya MD[/USER] maybe you can comment on this) placed HCG Monotherapy above T+HCG since the additional T is additionally suppressive. 100mg TC + 500iu EOD is worse for fertility than simply 500iu EOD, for example. </p><p></p><p>But couldn’t 100mg TC + 500iu EOD be better for fertility than say 1000iu or 1500 iu EOD (which are also standard monotherapy doses)? If 1000iu EOD is equally or more suppressive than 100mg TC + 500iu EOD (which seems like a reasonable assumption especially if one has a weak pituitary in which case both protocols may bring LH+FSH to 0), then wouldn’t it best to use the smallest dose possible to maintain normal ITT levels (which 500iu and less has shown to do)? Larger doses could bring a greater risk of desensitization or could cause excess intratesticular estradiol which is bad for fertility.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JRos895, post: 213755, member: 43163"] Thank you for the comprehensive reply [USER=13851]@madman[/USER]. Part of the reason I ask is I’ve been very interested in Dr. Saya’s fertility rankings posted below ([URL='https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=14182.msg126482#msg126482']HCG Monotherapy to Clomid Ratio For Fertility[/URL]): “1. Clomid/SERM treatment 2(A). HCG + HMG (or lyophilized FSH) 2(B). Baseline no treatment (no HPTA suppression via TRT, AAS, HCG mono, etc) - assuming no significant degree of primary/secondary/tertiary dysfunction. 3(A). HCG monotherapy (does in fact result in HPTA suppression, especially at higher doses, but *may* move up to #2 in select cases of SECONDARY/TERTIARY hypogonadism) 3(B). TRT + HCG (as we know many men are still able to maintain adequate fertility to conceive) 4. TRT/AAS with no concurrent HCG.” My question is—couldn’t TRT+HCG in some cases be better for fertility than higher dose HCG Monotherapy? I assume [URL='https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/what-is-the-best-dose-of-hcg-dr-saya-presents-two-case-studies.6133/']Dr Saya[/URL] ([USER=12687]@Dr Justin Saya MD[/USER] maybe you can comment on this) placed HCG Monotherapy above T+HCG since the additional T is additionally suppressive. 100mg TC + 500iu EOD is worse for fertility than simply 500iu EOD, for example. But couldn’t 100mg TC + 500iu EOD be better for fertility than say 1000iu or 1500 iu EOD (which are also standard monotherapy doses)? If 1000iu EOD is equally or more suppressive than 100mg TC + 500iu EOD (which seems like a reasonable assumption especially if one has a weak pituitary in which case both protocols may bring LH+FSH to 0), then wouldn’t it best to use the smallest dose possible to maintain normal ITT levels (which 500iu and less has shown to do)? Larger doses could bring a greater risk of desensitization or could cause excess intratesticular estradiol which is bad for fertility. [/QUOTE]
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