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hCG mono at 7 months | | Thyroid eval?
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<blockquote data-quote="Nelson Vergel" data-source="post: 29657" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>Re-ride</p><p></p><p>Wow! Your last post is full of misconceptions from that endo. I would look for another doctor who is up-to-speed in the latest data of HCG +TRT.</p><p></p><p>Here are my comments:</p><p></p><p>-serum T is "too high, exposing me to almost certain heart attack, blood clots and prostrate cancer and should be 300 - 400"</p><p></p><p>WRONG. YOUR TT IS OK AS LONG AS HEMATOCRIT AND ESTRADIOL ARE UNDER MAX ALLOWED.</p><p></p><p>- hematocrit is dangerously high</p><p></p><p>WHAT IS IT?</p><p></p><p>- no evidence of high cortisol, all these tests have been a waste of money</p><p></p><p>YES, AND NO. ADRENAL INSUFFICIENCY CAN BE TESTED FOR. HE MAY NOT BE AN ADRENAL EXPERT.</p><p></p><p>- hCG is an FSH analog ( not a leutinizing hormone hormone )</p><p></p><p>WRONG. IT IS AN LH ANALOG.</p><p></p><p>[" I do not prescribe hCG. I treat major league players. I keep my prescribing history clean."]</p><p></p><p></p><p>CLEAN? THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT HCG USE IN MEN WITH HYPOGONADISM.</p><p></p><p>[" hCG does not raise testosterone levels" ]</p><p></p><p>YES, IT DOES. PROVEN BY MANY STUDIES.</p><p></p><p>[" I will be recommending that you be removed from hCG therapy"]</p><p></p><p>RUN AWAY!</p><p></p><p>["hCG does not shut down the HP axis"]</p><p></p><p>YES, IT DOES.</p><p></p><p>Uh doc, was it the Lovaza or the sardines that raised my T from 300 to 700 last April? </p><p></p><p>OMEGA 3'S ARE SUPPORTIVE BUT DO NOT INCREASE T TO THAT MAGNITUDE.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps the Eyecaps caused my T to suddenly drop to 114 last month when hCG was withdrawn while something I ate caused its return to 725 two weeks later? Merely coincidental to hCG? </p><p></p><p>NOT A COINCIDENCE</p><p></p><p>I don't understand why you want to put me back on Androgel after failure. What about the bone loss, severe fatigue, mind fog, gyno, loss of muscle I've suffered in the past? What is a proper serum goal for estradiol?</p><p></p><p>BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE A DEAL WITH ABBIE</p><p></p><p>["None of that is related to Androgel. I've treated at least a thousand men for TRT and never once tested for estradiol. You can have injections once a month or every two weeks but I'm not going to allow a T level anywhere near the 700 range"]</p><p></p><p>RUN AWAY!</p><p></p><p>Can I have a small amount of hCG in conjunction with exogenous testosterone to preserve my testicular function?</p><p></p><p>["Absolutely not! There is no legitimate use of hCG in treating hypogonadism if you even have it which I doubt" "hCG is also far too costly to prescribe" ( but his fees are reasonable ) ] </p><p></p><p>UMM...HE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT READ PAPERS. <strong><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?425-Two-Studies-That-Used-HCG-with-Testosterone" target="_blank">Two Studies That Used HCG with Testosterone</a></strong></p><p>[" I do not practice cosmetic medicine. Even if hCG could restore testicular mass while receiving T therapy that is not a legitimate medical use"]</p><p></p><p>BS. HCG GOES BEYOND INCREASING TESTICULAR SIZE. WHAT A MORON!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nelson Vergel, post: 29657, member: 3"] Re-ride Wow! Your last post is full of misconceptions from that endo. I would look for another doctor who is up-to-speed in the latest data of HCG +TRT. Here are my comments: -serum T is "too high, exposing me to almost certain heart attack, blood clots and prostrate cancer and should be 300 - 400" WRONG. YOUR TT IS OK AS LONG AS HEMATOCRIT AND ESTRADIOL ARE UNDER MAX ALLOWED. - hematocrit is dangerously high WHAT IS IT? - no evidence of high cortisol, all these tests have been a waste of money YES, AND NO. ADRENAL INSUFFICIENCY CAN BE TESTED FOR. HE MAY NOT BE AN ADRENAL EXPERT. - hCG is an FSH analog ( not a leutinizing hormone hormone ) WRONG. IT IS AN LH ANALOG. [" I do not prescribe hCG. I treat major league players. I keep my prescribing history clean."] CLEAN? THERE IS NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT HCG USE IN MEN WITH HYPOGONADISM. [" hCG does not raise testosterone levels" ] YES, IT DOES. PROVEN BY MANY STUDIES. [" I will be recommending that you be removed from hCG therapy"] RUN AWAY! ["hCG does not shut down the HP axis"] YES, IT DOES. Uh doc, was it the Lovaza or the sardines that raised my T from 300 to 700 last April? OMEGA 3'S ARE SUPPORTIVE BUT DO NOT INCREASE T TO THAT MAGNITUDE. Perhaps the Eyecaps caused my T to suddenly drop to 114 last month when hCG was withdrawn while something I ate caused its return to 725 two weeks later? Merely coincidental to hCG? NOT A COINCIDENCE I don't understand why you want to put me back on Androgel after failure. What about the bone loss, severe fatigue, mind fog, gyno, loss of muscle I've suffered in the past? What is a proper serum goal for estradiol? BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE A DEAL WITH ABBIE ["None of that is related to Androgel. I've treated at least a thousand men for TRT and never once tested for estradiol. You can have injections once a month or every two weeks but I'm not going to allow a T level anywhere near the 700 range"] RUN AWAY! Can I have a small amount of hCG in conjunction with exogenous testosterone to preserve my testicular function? ["Absolutely not! There is no legitimate use of hCG in treating hypogonadism if you even have it which I doubt" "hCG is also far too costly to prescribe" ( but his fees are reasonable ) ] UMM...HE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT READ PAPERS. [b][URL="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?425-Two-Studies-That-Used-HCG-with-Testosterone"]Two Studies That Used HCG with Testosterone[/URL][/b] [" I do not practice cosmetic medicine. Even if hCG could restore testicular mass while receiving T therapy that is not a legitimate medical use"] BS. HCG GOES BEYOND INCREASING TESTICULAR SIZE. WHAT A MORON! [/QUOTE]
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