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<blockquote data-quote="aneuman" data-source="post: 244327" data-attributes="member: 43264"><p>I understand the "<em>...sense of a coma. I was awake/asleep at the same time...</em>" as I experience exactly the same thing. Currently on HCG 300 IU M/W/F/S + 12.5mg Enclomiphene on the same schedule.</p><p></p><p>The sense of being awake/asleep correlates with the usage of HCG but I can't say for sure that's the reason. I fall asleep very fast (within 3 min or less) but wake up many times, usually while dreaming, and then when I go back to sleep I stay in this state you very well described. The next day my wife asks me "how did you sleep?" and I say "I don't know! I thought I was awake of night "thinking", but apparently I was dreaming". It must also be said that I've struggled with insomnia for more than 25 years, that's why I can't blame HCG for it. In any case, the "coma" state is an improvement compared to lots of completely sleepless nights.</p><p></p><p>In general, this combination has positive results. I've been 2 months on it (currently awaiting lab results) and the effects on mood are the most noticeable, more calm, happier in general, more content with things in life, more accepting. As a matter of fact, I concur with you stated opinion that "...<em>the HCG made me feel generally happier. In all aspects; more intense workouts, more desire to do activities with the kids, spend quality time with the old lady, etc. I didn't feel I was lacking/wanting more in any of these areas before trying HCG.</em>"</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I've been on all possible schedule and doses of HCG, from 2000 IU once a week, to 250 IU every day. I think higher doses tend to increase more anxiety and gives more edginess than more frequent/lower doses, which make me feel more optimistic and willing to do stuff, without feeling on the edge. </p><p></p><p>I am not on exogenous Testosterone though, which is an important factor. Even though I'm 60 yo, I'd like to keep all my organs in working order for as long as I can tolerate their decline. So HCG keeps the testicles working while low dose Enclomphene keeps Pituitary and Hypothalamus from falling asleep. I tend to respond very well to enclipmiphene putting my natural T over 1100 ng/dL, but I do not get any subjective benefits. HCG adds that missing part. Most definitely this combination does not provide many of the sought-after benefits of exogenous T (increased muscle mass, decreased fat mass, gold gym body, bloody eyes and permanently erect penis) or at least not at the same level, but keeps things in working condition and allows me to enjoy life while understanding that I'm a 60 year old man, and I'll probably won't feel like 25 ever again. But this assessment may change once the risk/benefits profile starts changing.</p><p></p><p>I don't think 5IU a day is going to do anything, and will most probably be a waste of money. There's usually a minimum "therapeutic dosage" threshold under which the effect is negligible, if at all. From what I've read in this forum, it seems that 150IU is the practical absolute minimum when used daily for any noticeable effect. Most TRT users seem to use anywhere from 250 IU to 500IU twice a week, although you can probably find any protocol you want under the sun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aneuman, post: 244327, member: 43264"] I understand the "[I]...sense of a coma. I was awake/asleep at the same time...[/I]" as I experience exactly the same thing. Currently on HCG 300 IU M/W/F/S + 12.5mg Enclomiphene on the same schedule. The sense of being awake/asleep correlates with the usage of HCG but I can't say for sure that's the reason. I fall asleep very fast (within 3 min or less) but wake up many times, usually while dreaming, and then when I go back to sleep I stay in this state you very well described. The next day my wife asks me "how did you sleep?" and I say "I don't know! I thought I was awake of night "thinking", but apparently I was dreaming". It must also be said that I've struggled with insomnia for more than 25 years, that's why I can't blame HCG for it. In any case, the "coma" state is an improvement compared to lots of completely sleepless nights. In general, this combination has positive results. I've been 2 months on it (currently awaiting lab results) and the effects on mood are the most noticeable, more calm, happier in general, more content with things in life, more accepting. As a matter of fact, I concur with you stated opinion that "...[I]the HCG made me feel generally happier. In all aspects; more intense workouts, more desire to do activities with the kids, spend quality time with the old lady, etc. I didn't feel I was lacking/wanting more in any of these areas before trying HCG.[/I]" FWIW, I've been on all possible schedule and doses of HCG, from 2000 IU once a week, to 250 IU every day. I think higher doses tend to increase more anxiety and gives more edginess than more frequent/lower doses, which make me feel more optimistic and willing to do stuff, without feeling on the edge. I am not on exogenous Testosterone though, which is an important factor. Even though I'm 60 yo, I'd like to keep all my organs in working order for as long as I can tolerate their decline. So HCG keeps the testicles working while low dose Enclomphene keeps Pituitary and Hypothalamus from falling asleep. I tend to respond very well to enclipmiphene putting my natural T over 1100 ng/dL, but I do not get any subjective benefits. HCG adds that missing part. Most definitely this combination does not provide many of the sought-after benefits of exogenous T (increased muscle mass, decreased fat mass, gold gym body, bloody eyes and permanently erect penis) or at least not at the same level, but keeps things in working condition and allows me to enjoy life while understanding that I'm a 60 year old man, and I'll probably won't feel like 25 ever again. But this assessment may change once the risk/benefits profile starts changing. I don't think 5IU a day is going to do anything, and will most probably be a waste of money. There's usually a minimum "therapeutic dosage" threshold under which the effect is negligible, if at all. From what I've read in this forum, it seems that 150IU is the practical absolute minimum when used daily for any noticeable effect. Most TRT users seem to use anywhere from 250 IU to 500IU twice a week, although you can probably find any protocol you want under the sun. [/QUOTE]
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