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<blockquote data-quote="Fortunate" data-source="post: 213778" data-attributes="member: 42264"><p>I need to beat this dead horse again. </p><p></p><p>Background: I am one of the few (if not, the only) guy here who routinely uses Natesto. I have tried a ton of other options, but always come back to Natesto (lowest side effect profile with decent TRT benefits). Prior to starting Natesto, I was put on hCG as part of my protocol. When I started Natesto, I stayed on hCG and have been on 100IU daily for years. Now, I am wondering if I need to be on it.</p><p></p><p>There are theories that hCG provides subjective benefits outside of it's stimulation of Leydig cells. That said, with respect to preserving and/or protecting my capacity to maintain fertility, I often wonder if the hCG has been necessary for me, because supposedly, Natesto minimizes endogenous production. [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER], [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER], [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] and anyone else with TRT experience, in general, if I respond well to Natesto, is it fair to assume hCG may not be necessary (with respect to fertility)?</p><p></p><p>I have pondered getting off hCG a number of times and have tried a few days off here and there. I have a variety of reasons why I'd like to be off hCG, including, but not limited to: Daily injections are a pain; I have long term acne issues. When I stop hCG for a few days, I tend to go back on it, deciding that I feel better on it. </p><p></p><p>But, and this is totally anecdotal, there was a period of time over this past summer when I was using Empower's hCG (normally, I use Pregnyl). I have (unsubstantiated) reason to believe that it was not potent - or even lacked any efficacy at all. Acne was down, and initially body aches were up. But, after about three weeks on it, I started to feel mentally really good. I was more peaceful and content. I realize there are numerous assumptions built into this theory, but I sort of wonder if being on Empower hCG was like being on nothing; and, if so, if I am able to stop hCG for long enough, will I reproduce the scenario above (Natesto alone, without hCG) and regain the positive mental benefit I describe above?</p><p></p><p>Perhaps, by being <strong>on</strong> Natesto, but <strong>off</strong> hCG, my CNS was able to "wake up" and start producing its own GnRH, FSH and LH? Maybe there was some benefit to the CNS doing this on its own after being suppressed by hCG?</p><p></p><p>On a related note, I have a theory about Natesto and efficacy over time. If you are someone who has been on other forms of TRT and subsequently switch to Natesto, you might notice an immediate improvement in mood and energy. On the other hand, you may not, but I think (but can't prove) that the experience could improve over time. If you start Natesto when endogenous production is totally shut down, then you will have periodic pulses of Test, with drops throughout the day. The lows will be low. However, if you stick with Natesto, my guess is that eventually, your own production picks up, and over time, the overall benefit increases, as your endogenous levels improve while the Natesto continues to top off what you are producing (ie, average levels go up).</p><p></p><p>Sorry - I am digressing and thinking out loud. But, as the topic suggests, please feel free to weigh in on hCG: have you stopped? For how long? Thoughts on the necessity of hCG with Natesto?</p><p></p><p>Thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fortunate, post: 213778, member: 42264"] I need to beat this dead horse again. Background: I am one of the few (if not, the only) guy here who routinely uses Natesto. I have tried a ton of other options, but always come back to Natesto (lowest side effect profile with decent TRT benefits). Prior to starting Natesto, I was put on hCG as part of my protocol. When I started Natesto, I stayed on hCG and have been on 100IU daily for years. Now, I am wondering if I need to be on it. There are theories that hCG provides subjective benefits outside of it's stimulation of Leydig cells. That said, with respect to preserving and/or protecting my capacity to maintain fertility, I often wonder if the hCG has been necessary for me, because supposedly, Natesto minimizes endogenous production. [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER], [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER], [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] and anyone else with TRT experience, in general, if I respond well to Natesto, is it fair to assume hCG may not be necessary (with respect to fertility)? I have pondered getting off hCG a number of times and have tried a few days off here and there. I have a variety of reasons why I'd like to be off hCG, including, but not limited to: Daily injections are a pain; I have long term acne issues. When I stop hCG for a few days, I tend to go back on it, deciding that I feel better on it. But, and this is totally anecdotal, there was a period of time over this past summer when I was using Empower's hCG (normally, I use Pregnyl). I have (unsubstantiated) reason to believe that it was not potent - or even lacked any efficacy at all. Acne was down, and initially body aches were up. But, after about three weeks on it, I started to feel mentally really good. I was more peaceful and content. I realize there are numerous assumptions built into this theory, but I sort of wonder if being on Empower hCG was like being on nothing; and, if so, if I am able to stop hCG for long enough, will I reproduce the scenario above (Natesto alone, without hCG) and regain the positive mental benefit I describe above? Perhaps, by being [B]on[/B] Natesto, but [B]off[/B] hCG, my CNS was able to "wake up" and start producing its own GnRH, FSH and LH? Maybe there was some benefit to the CNS doing this on its own after being suppressed by hCG? On a related note, I have a theory about Natesto and efficacy over time. If you are someone who has been on other forms of TRT and subsequently switch to Natesto, you might notice an immediate improvement in mood and energy. On the other hand, you may not, but I think (but can't prove) that the experience could improve over time. If you start Natesto when endogenous production is totally shut down, then you will have periodic pulses of Test, with drops throughout the day. The lows will be low. However, if you stick with Natesto, my guess is that eventually, your own production picks up, and over time, the overall benefit increases, as your endogenous levels improve while the Natesto continues to top off what you are producing (ie, average levels go up). Sorry - I am digressing and thinking out loud. But, as the topic suggests, please feel free to weigh in on hCG: have you stopped? For how long? Thoughts on the necessity of hCG with Natesto? Thanks! [/QUOTE]
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