Got second labs...I'm a mess after just two injections of Test-Cyp.

[JCUSN]

I went on TRT at the advice of doctor locally in SoCal. I had a 494 total T reading, but a 60 SHBG level...which gave me significantly low free test.

I was started on Test-Cyp once per week, IM, 100mg each injection. Also took 200iu HCG M-W-F. I immediately noticed ED and loss of libido symptoms...so I just totally stopped cold turkey.

I did a total of 200mg Test-C.

I got another set of labs done...2 weeks after my last injection. My total test is now 234! Additionally, I noticed even my Estradiol is very low at 5.58 pg/mL.

Am I just totally ****ed? Do I need Clomid now? Can't I just get back to where I was? I just want to go back to my pre-TRT levels even if they were "low."

Any guidance anyone?

 

[Vince]

Why do you have your testosterone tested in the first place?
If you were only on TRT for a short time, your old levels should return shortly.

 

[CoastWatcher]

I went on TRT at the advice of doctor locally in SoCal. I had a 494 total T reading, but a 60 SHBG level...which gave me significantly low free test.

I was started on Test-Cyp once per week, IM, 100mg each injection. Also took 200iu HCG M-W-F. I immediately noticed ED and loss of libido symptoms...so I just totally stopped cold turkey.

I did a total of 200mg Test-C.

I got another set of labs done...2 weeks after my last injection. My total test is now 234! Additionally, I noticed even my Estradiol is very low at 5.58 pg/mL.

Am I just totally ****ed? Do I need Clomid now? Can't I just get back to where I was? I just want to go back to my pre-TRT levels even if they were "low."

Any guidance anyone?

Help me understand. You injected a total of 200mg of testosterone, 100mg per week, over two weeks. You didn't like how you felt. You just stopped and now, two weeks later, your total testosterone has dropped along with your estradiol.

If that's right, it's no surprise. By initiating TRT you started shutting down your body's natural production of testosterone. That will always happen when exogenous testosterone is introduced into the system. When you walked away from your protocol your body had not totally shut down, but the process was well underway. Your natural production is now feeble, and it's no surprise estradiol is low; there's not sufficient testosterone in your system to drive it to a healthy level.

It takes more than two weeks for a TRT protocol to be assessed. I'm not surprised you felt odd, the sexual side effects you complained of. Serum levels were in flux and needed at least four to six weeks to balance and be measured. Patience is the key to success in this game. Your impatience, or lack of awareness, if your doctor didn't explain to you the timelines involved, sabotaged your efforts. Staying the course would have likely brought you success.

You'll likely regain the ground you lost and get somewhere near your original levels. Are you sure you want that? They weren't great and spurred you to seek TRT to begin with.

 

[JCUSN]

Why do you have your testosterone tested in the first place?
If you were only on TRT for a short time, your old levels should return shortly.

I had them tested at first because of symptoms of low T I was experiencing.

Help me understand. You injected a total of 200mg of testosterone, 100mg per week, over two weeks. You didn't like how you felt. You just stopped and now, two weeks later your total testosterone has dropped along with your estradiol.

If that's right, it's no surprise. By initiating TRT you started shutting down your body's natural production of testosterone. That will always happen when exogenous testosterone is introduced into the system. When you walked away from your protocol your body had not totally shut down, but the process was well underway. Your natural production is now feeble, and it's no surprise estradiol is low, there's not sufficient testosterone in your system to drive it to a healthy level.

It takes more than two weeks for a TRT protocol to be assessed. I'm not at ll surprised you felt odd, the sexual side effects you complained of. Serum levels were in flux and needed at least four to six weeks to balance and be measured. Patience is the key to success in this game. Your impatience, or lack of awareness, if your doctor didn't explain to you the timelines involved, sabotaged your efforts. Staying the course would have likely brought you success.

What is your doctor's advice?

You are correct. I did 100mg a week for 2 weeks...200mg in total. Also HCG mon wed and Friday, 200iu. Then I entirely stopped everything when I had sexual side effects those two weeks.

I'm now left with these horribly low test and estradiol numbers. I didn't think just two weeks wood result in such a massive shut down.

My doctor told me to just start my TRT again and that's it. No AI. No changes. No nothing. But I don't want those sexual side effects again. If I had continued, would they really have stopped?

 

[CoastWatcher]

I had them tested at first because of symptoms of low T I was experiencing.



You are correct. I did 100mg a week for 2 weeks...200mg in total. Also HCG mon wed and Friday, 200iu. Then I entirely stopped everything when I had sexual side effects those two weeks.

I'm now left with these horribly low test and estradiol numbers. I didn't think just two weeks wood result in such a massive shut down.

My doctor told me to just start my TRT again and that's it. No AI. No changes. No nothing. But I don't want those sexual side effects again. If I had continued, would they really have stopped?

Why do you need an AI???? You have no estradiol to speak of! Seriously - Anastrozole is never prescribed in the absence of a sensitive lab test confirming high levels and symptoms of elevated e2. It should never routinely be taken as some sort of good-luck charm to ward off the estrogen spirits. Please - keep that in mind or your misery will be compounded.

The first weeks on a TRT protocol are typically a roller-coaster (or can be). Serum levels changing, the body reacting to those levels...it can be quite a ride. You should have been told that. There are never promises in androgen replacement, but, yes, you are highly likely to come through this adjustment and see success. But it can take time and odd things can happen to your body during the shakedown. It isn't a magical potion and you need patience.

 

[JCUSN]

Why do you have your testosterone tested in the first place?
If you were only on TRT for a short time, your old levels should return shortly.

Help me understand. You injected a total of 200mg of testosterone, 100mg per week, over two weeks. You didn't like how you felt. You just stopped and now, two weeks later, your total testosterone has dropped along with your estradiol.

If that's right, it's no surprise. By initiating TRT you started shutting down your body's natural production of testosterone. That will always happen when exogenous testosterone is introduced into the system. When you walked away from your protocol your body had not totally shut down, but the process was well underway. Your natural production is now feeble, and it's no surprise estradiol is low; there's not sufficient testosterone in your system to drive it to a healthy level.

It takes more than two weeks for a TRT protocol to be assessed. I'm not surprised you felt odd, the sexual side effects you complained of. Serum levels were in flux and needed at least four to six weeks to balance and be measured. Patience is the key to success in this game. Your impatience, or lack of awareness, if your doctor didn't explain to you the timelines involved, sabotaged your efforts. Staying the course would have likely brought you success.

You'll likely regain the ground you lost and get somewhere near your original levels. Are you sure you want that? They weren't great and spurred you to seek TRT to begin with.

Why do you need an AI???? You have no estradiol to speak of! Seriously - Anastrozole is never prescribed in the absence of a sensitive lab test confirming high levels and symptoms of elevated e2. It should never routinely be taken as some sort of good-luck charm to ward off the estrogen spirits. Please - keep that in mind or your misery will be compounded.

The first weeks on a TRT protocol are typically a roller-coaster (or can be). Serum levels changing, the body reacting to those levels...it can be quite a ride. You should have been told that. There are never promises in androgen replacement, but, yes, you are highly likely to come through this adjustment and see success. But it can take time and odd things can happen to your body during the shakedown. It isn't a magical potion and you need patience.

Thanks for your reply, man. You replied to a previous thread I made, and you recommended Defy. The whole reason I quit with my previous doctor was because of the sexual side effects experienced, and then got these labs recently to submit to Defy when I get my consult with Dr. Crisler. I appreciate your input.

I'm thinking I should just restart my 100mg a week, and have my consult with dr crisler letting him know what's happening.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Thanks for your reply, man. You replied to a previous thread I made, and you recommended Defy. The whole reason I quit with my previous doctor was because of the sexual side effects experienced, and then got these labs recently to submit to Defy when I get my consult with Dr. Crisler. I appreciate your input.

I'm thinking I should just restart my 100mg a week, and have my consult with dr crisler letting him know what's happening.

You will undoubtedly need to get another, partial set of labs for Defy to review. If you resume your protocol, your consultation will be focused on how you feel at that time (in addition to your history). Labs should be part of that discussion.

 

[Vince]

Thanks for your reply, man. You replied to a previous thread I made, and you recommended Defy. The whole reason I quit with my previous doctor was because of the sexual side effects experienced, and then got these labs recently to submit to Defy when I get my consult with Dr. Crisler. I appreciate your input.

I'm thinking I should just restart my 100mg a week, and have my consult with dr crisler letting him know what's happening.

Dr. Crisler is no longer with Defy. There is Dr. Saya and a new doctor he's training.

 

[CoastWatcher]

Dr. Crisler is no longer with Defy. There is Dr. Saya and a new doctor he's training.

But there's no question that you'll receive quality medical care at Defy. It's an excellent move.

 

[Re-Ride]

Help me understand...

if your doctor didn't explain to you the timelines involved, sabotaged your efforts. Staying the course would have likely brought you success.

You'll likely regain the ground you lost and get somewhere near your original levels. Are you sure you want that? They weren't great and spurred you to seek TRT to begin with.

What else did you employ in treating the symptoms prior to TRT? Diet? activity levels? assess environmental exposure? Currently you are not a good candidate for TRT.

 

[JCUSN]

What else did you employ in treating the symptoms prior to TRT? Diet? activity levels? assess environmental exposure? Currently you are not a good candidate for TRT.

My diet is spot on. VERY clean lean proteins, clean carbs, adequate levels of fat intake. I work out with heavy weights 5 days per week. I tried melatonin for sleep. I adjusted diet to many times to adjust gym results. Tried yohimbine and zinc supplements.

Why am I not a good candidate? My total T was nearly 500, but my free T was very low due to my elevated SBHG.