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First time with injections - protocol tweaks, should we ignore the numbers?
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<blockquote data-quote="Louis" data-source="post: 110426" data-attributes="member: 17695"><p>Gentlemen, a bit of background from my intro a few months ago. I'm 43yo and have been on 3 pumps of Androgel 1.62 and 100iu ed of HCG for just over 2 years. I have felt ok but had some lethargy, occasional night sweats, poor libido (but not ED) and sensitivity issues. </p><p></p><p>On Androgel and 100iu of hcg daily, my lab values have been consistently been as follows:</p><p></p><p>1/5/2018 labs 4 hours after application</p><p>Androgel 1.62 3 pumps / 100iu HCG ed</p><p>TT <strong>620.4</strong> ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0</p><p>FT <strong>9.8</strong> pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5</p><p>DHEA, <strong>350</strong> ug/dL 16 &#8211; 390</p><p>DHT <strong>115</strong> ng/dL 30 - 85</p><p>E2 Sensitive <strong>15.9</strong> pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0</p><p>SHBG <strong>66.4</strong> nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 </p><p></p><p>I couldn't add more Androgel because my DHT was already very high and I new I wanted to go to injections so my doctor and I decided to increase my daily hcg dose to 150iu ed to see if my FT and E2 would come up at all. Not much changed by way of the the numbers or how I felt.</p><p></p><p>3/21/2018 labs 4 hours after application</p><p>Androgel 1.62 3 pumps / 150iu HCG ed</p><p>TT <strong>760.7</strong> ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0</p><p>FT <strong>12.6</strong> pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5</p><p>E2 Sensitive <strong>22.7</strong> pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0</p><p>DHEA, <strong>365</strong> ug/dL 16 &#8211; 390</p><p>DHT <strong>131</strong> ng/dL 30 - 85</p><p>SHBG <strong>62</strong> nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 </p><p></p><p>April 2nd I began injecting 50mg of Cypionate shallow IM into the deltoid and maintained 150iu of HCG daily from my previous protocol. I have just gotten my first set of labs tested 6 weeks after starting my first cypionate protocol. I am currently injecting 50mg of Cypionate shallow IM alternating delts e3.5d and 150iu ed subq. Current labs and several previous are as follows:</p><p></p><p>5/31/2018 labs 6 hours before evening injection (4 hours after HCG injection)</p><p>50mg e3.5d / 150iu HCG ed</p><p>TT <strong>1378</strong> ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0</p><p>FT <strong>27.7</strong> pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5</p><p>E2 Sensitive <strong>38.2</strong> pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0</p><p>DHEA, <strong>295</strong> ug/dL 16 &#8211; 390</p><p>DHT <strong>56</strong> ng/dL 30 - 85</p><p>SHBG <strong>50.9</strong> nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 </p><p></p><p>I feel better than I have in quite some time. I have improved cognition and awareness, though I am more moody than I was before. The lethargy has improved, and I get morning wood 4-5x per week and general strength has improved (don't feel weak). Sensitivity is also much improved as is overall vascularity. The overheating and night sweats have persisted. Lasty, I'm feeling a little bit of bloat though I have only gained 3lbs.</p><p></p><p>Now, understanding that results will vary and this is kind of a guessing game, I want to try to make an educated decision on which direction to take my protocol tweaks. The obvious number that stands out is my total T at > 1300ng/dL. Is there any danger to it being this high? My T/E ratio appears to be 36 (if I'm calculating this correctly). Should I even concern myself with these numbers if I am actually feeling pretty good? </p><p></p><p>It seems logical that I would want to lower my TT a bit but try to keep my E2 where it is. If I were to lower my Cypionate dose to say 40mg e3.5d, my TT will certainly drop but I assume my E2 will as well since adding a little more HCG alone (prior to moving to cypionate) barely moved my E2. With a SHBG of 50 (lowest its ever been) I am thinking I should move to e3.5d HCG as well - probably using Nelson's protocol since I am already injecting shallow IM in my delts anyway.</p><p></p><p>I'm just thinking out loud, but your feedback would be much appreciated.</p><p></p><p>Thanks guys.</p><p></p><p>Louis</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Louis, post: 110426, member: 17695"] Gentlemen, a bit of background from my intro a few months ago. I'm 43yo and have been on 3 pumps of Androgel 1.62 and 100iu ed of HCG for just over 2 years. I have felt ok but had some lethargy, occasional night sweats, poor libido (but not ED) and sensitivity issues. On Androgel and 100iu of hcg daily, my lab values have been consistently been as follows: 1/5/2018 labs 4 hours after application Androgel 1.62 3 pumps / 100iu HCG ed TT [B]620.4[/B] ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0 FT [B]9.8[/B] pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5 DHEA, [B]350[/B] ug/dL 16 – 390 DHT [B]115[/B] ng/dL 30 - 85 E2 Sensitive [B]15.9[/B] pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0 SHBG [B]66.4[/B] nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 I couldn't add more Androgel because my DHT was already very high and I new I wanted to go to injections so my doctor and I decided to increase my daily hcg dose to 150iu ed to see if my FT and E2 would come up at all. Not much changed by way of the the numbers or how I felt. 3/21/2018 labs 4 hours after application Androgel 1.62 3 pumps / 150iu HCG ed TT [B]760.7[/B] ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0 FT [B]12.6[/B] pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5 E2 Sensitive [B]22.7[/B] pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0 DHEA, [B]365[/B] ug/dL 16 – 390 DHT [B]131[/B] ng/dL 30 - 85 SHBG [B]62[/B] nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 April 2nd I began injecting 50mg of Cypionate shallow IM into the deltoid and maintained 150iu of HCG daily from my previous protocol. I have just gotten my first set of labs tested 6 weeks after starting my first cypionate protocol. I am currently injecting 50mg of Cypionate shallow IM alternating delts e3.5d and 150iu ed subq. Current labs and several previous are as follows: 5/31/2018 labs 6 hours before evening injection (4 hours after HCG injection) 50mg e3.5d / 150iu HCG ed TT [B]1378[/B] ng/dL 264.0 - 916.0 FT [B]27.7[/B] pg/mL 6.8 - 21.5 E2 Sensitive [B]38.2[/B] pg/mL 8.0 - 35.0 DHEA, [B]295[/B] ug/dL 16 – 390 DHT [B]56[/B] ng/dL 30 - 85 SHBG [B]50.9[/B] nmol/L 16.5 - 55.9 I feel better than I have in quite some time. I have improved cognition and awareness, though I am more moody than I was before. The lethargy has improved, and I get morning wood 4-5x per week and general strength has improved (don't feel weak). Sensitivity is also much improved as is overall vascularity. The overheating and night sweats have persisted. Lasty, I'm feeling a little bit of bloat though I have only gained 3lbs. Now, understanding that results will vary and this is kind of a guessing game, I want to try to make an educated decision on which direction to take my protocol tweaks. The obvious number that stands out is my total T at > 1300ng/dL. Is there any danger to it being this high? My T/E ratio appears to be 36 (if I'm calculating this correctly). Should I even concern myself with these numbers if I am actually feeling pretty good? It seems logical that I would want to lower my TT a bit but try to keep my E2 where it is. If I were to lower my Cypionate dose to say 40mg e3.5d, my TT will certainly drop but I assume my E2 will as well since adding a little more HCG alone (prior to moving to cypionate) barely moved my E2. With a SHBG of 50 (lowest its ever been) I am thinking I should move to e3.5d HCG as well - probably using Nelson's protocol since I am already injecting shallow IM in my delts anyway. I'm just thinking out loud, but your feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks guys. Louis [/QUOTE]
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