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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 216960" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><em><strong>I’ve been on TRT for <u>5 months now</u></strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Initial dose/dosage <u>200 mg test cipionate every 2 weeks intramuscular injection for 12 weeks</u>.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Felt good for the first week after injection then nothing for the second. <u>ED went away for that week and libido was good</u>. <u>Sides were oily skin some acne and a small amount of gynecomastia</u>.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>At my next Dr. appointment he had me test just before next dose (trough) and total T was at 278. <u>He increased my dose to 200 mg test cipionate every week</u>. <u>My hematocrit was at 59 but he didn’t tell me the number only said it was a little high</u>.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><strong><em>After doing a lot of reading on this site <u>I didn’t want to make that big of a jump so I started injecting 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks</u> and really liked the results. It didn’t seem to increase my sides and my libido improved but <u>ED persisted occasionally</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p><em><strong>I also started eating a grapefruit a day to help with my <u>hematocrit with the increased dose</u>.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><strong><em>A week and a half before my appointment <u>I switched to 100 mg test cipionate every 3.5 days (trip to Vegas with the wife) to see how it affected me and all signs of ED went away</u> and my wife and I both really liked the results and hoped my <u>hematocrit levels wouldn’t be too high so we could keep that dose</u>.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Got tested when I got back two days after a shot (peak) and my <u>total T was 1436</u>, and <u>despite the increased dose my hematocrit dropped to 55 (still not good</u>) so I think the grapefruit is helping.</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's keep it real here.</p><p></p><p>You have been on trt for 5 months and the first 12 weeks were a complete waste due to your piss poor protocol of 200 mg T every 2 weeks.</p><p></p><p>This says it all.....<strong><em>Felt good for the first week after injection then nothing for the second. <u>ED went away for that week and libido was good</u>. <u>Sides were oily skin some acne and a small amount of gynecomastia</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Here is where it gets even better.</p><p></p><p>Your doctor went and did a complete 360 and jacked up your T dose to a whopping 200 mg/week.....go figure!</p><p></p><p>This says it all.....<em><strong>He increased my dose to 200 mg test cipionate every week</strong></em><strong><em>. My hematocrit was at 59 but he didn’t tell me the number only said it was a little high.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Anyone with sense in their head would have started you on 100 mg T/week once weekly or better yet split into twice-weekly injections (50 mg T every 3.5 days).</p><p></p><p>Start low and slow on a T-only protocol we say as we want to see how your body reacts to testosterone and where said dose has your trough TT, FT and estradiol let alone important blood markers such as RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit.</p><p></p><p>Your doctor is an idiot plain and simple and if you researched enough on your own as you stated especially on this forum then you should be well aware of all the threads/posts that echo starting low and slow on a T-only protocol let alone getting a full-set of labs done pre-trt and 6 weeks after starting or tweaking a protocol.</p><p></p><p>Lab work is critical!</p><p></p><p>This says it all.....<strong><em>After doing a lot of reading on this site <u>I didn’t want to make that big of a jump so I started injecting 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks</u> and really liked the results. It didn’t seem to increase my sides and my libido improved but <u>ED persisted occasionally</u>.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Even 150 mg T/week is not low and slow!</p><p></p><p>No one on this forum other than the misinformed would recommend starting someone on 150 mg T/week.</p><p></p><p>So now 12 weeks after being on a piss-poor protocol (200mg T every 2 weeks), you decided on your own to jump into 150 mg T/week for 6 weeks and your libido improved yet you are still struggling with ED. </p><p></p><p>Remember what I stated about the honeymoon period?</p><p></p><p>So 6 weeks in on the new protocol you never had full blood work done and had absolutely no idea where your trough TT, FT, estradiol let alone SHBG sat yet a week and a half before your appointment you go and up your dose from 150 mg T/week--->to a whopping 200 mg T/week split into twice-weekly injections (100mg T every 3.5 days).....go figure.</p><p></p><p>This says it all.....<em><strong>A week and a half before my appointment <u>I switched to 100 mg test cipionate every 3.5 days (trip to Vegas with the wife) to see how it affected me and all signs of ED went away and my wife and I both really liked the results</u> and hoped my </strong></em><strong><em>hematocrit levels wouldn’t be too high so we could keep that dose</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Again remember what I stated about the honeymoon period?</p><p></p><p>Now seeing as you just upped your dose from 150 mg T/week to 200 mg T/week (100 mg every 3.5 days) you never even gave it a full 6 weeks for blood levels to stabilize yet you had blood work done which would skew your results.</p><p></p><p>You were hitting an absurdly high TT 1436 ng/dL 2 days post-injection and that is not even your true peak let alone your blood levels have not even stabilized (4-6 weeks).</p><p></p><p>You are injecting a whopping 200 mg T/week split (100mg every 3.5 days) so your true trough would be 84 hrs (3.5 days) post-injection.</p><p></p><p>This says it all.....<strong><em>Got tested when I got back two days after a shot (peak) and my total T was 1436, and despite the increased dose my hematocrit dropped to 55 (still not good) so I think the grapefruit is helping.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>Again you do not understand how exogenous T works.</p><p></p><p>Whether starting trt or tweaking a protocol (increasing dose of T) hormones will be in <strong><em>FLUX </em></strong>during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks due to half-life TC/TE) and it is common for many to experience ups/downs during the transition as the body is trying to <strong><em>adjust</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>It is common when first starting trt or tweaking a protocol (increasing dose of T) to experience what we call the <strong><em>HONEYMOON PERIOD</em></strong> where there is an <em><strong>overall euphoric feeling and a <em>strong increase in libido/erections due to the rising T-</em>levels/increased dopamine, lighting up of the AR (androgen receptor)</strong></em>.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, this is temporary and short-lived as the body will eventually<strong><em> adapt</em></strong> to the <strong><em>new set-point</em></strong> once <strong><em>blood levels have stabilized</em></strong> and the strong increase in libido/erections let alone euphoric feeling tends to wane.</p><p></p><p>As I stated previously even once blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks) it will take time for the body to <strong><em>adapt to the new set-point</em></strong> and this is the critical time period when one should gauge how they truly feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-T symptoms.</p><p></p><p>Every protocol should be given 12 weeks to claim whether it was truly a success or failure.</p><p></p><p>When looking at the bigger picture the first 6 weeks mean nothing.</p><p></p><p>Patience is key!</p><p></p><p>Can you see where this is going?</p><p></p><p>Seems to be a complete mess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 216960, member: 13851"] [I][B]I’ve been on TRT for [U]5 months now[/U] Initial dose/dosage [U]200 mg test cipionate every 2 weeks intramuscular injection for 12 weeks[/U]. Felt good for the first week after injection then nothing for the second. [U]ED went away for that week and libido was good[/U]. [U]Sides were oily skin some acne and a small amount of gynecomastia[/U]. At my next Dr. appointment he had me test just before next dose (trough) and total T was at 278. [U]He increased my dose to 200 mg test cipionate every week[/U]. [U]My hematocrit was at 59 but he didn’t tell me the number only said it was a little high[/U]. [/B][/I] [B][I]After doing a lot of reading on this site [U]I didn’t want to make that big of a jump so I started injecting 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks[/U] and really liked the results. It didn’t seem to increase my sides and my libido improved but [U]ED persisted occasionally[/U].[/I][/B] [I][B]I also started eating a grapefruit a day to help with my [U]hematocrit with the increased dose[/U]. [/B][/I] [B][I]A week and a half before my appointment [U]I switched to 100 mg test cipionate every 3.5 days (trip to Vegas with the wife) to see how it affected me and all signs of ED went away[/U] and my wife and I both really liked the results and hoped my [U]hematocrit levels wouldn’t be too high so we could keep that dose[/U]. Got tested when I got back two days after a shot (peak) and my [U]total T was 1436[/U], and [U]despite the increased dose my hematocrit dropped to 55 (still not good[/U]) so I think the grapefruit is helping.[/I][/B] Let's keep it real here. You have been on trt for 5 months and the first 12 weeks were a complete waste due to your piss poor protocol of 200 mg T every 2 weeks. This says it all.....[B][I]Felt good for the first week after injection then nothing for the second. [U]ED went away for that week and libido was good[/U]. [U]Sides were oily skin some acne and a small amount of gynecomastia[/U].[/I][/B] Here is where it gets even better. Your doctor went and did a complete 360 and jacked up your T dose to a whopping 200 mg/week.....go figure! This says it all.....[I][B]He increased my dose to 200 mg test cipionate every week[/B][/I][B][I]. My hematocrit was at 59 but he didn’t tell me the number only said it was a little high.[/I][/B] Anyone with sense in their head would have started you on 100 mg T/week once weekly or better yet split into twice-weekly injections (50 mg T every 3.5 days). Start low and slow on a T-only protocol we say as we want to see how your body reacts to testosterone and where said dose has your trough TT, FT and estradiol let alone important blood markers such as RBCs/hemoglobin/hematocrit. Your doctor is an idiot plain and simple and if you researched enough on your own as you stated especially on this forum then you should be well aware of all the threads/posts that echo starting low and slow on a T-only protocol let alone getting a full-set of labs done pre-trt and 6 weeks after starting or tweaking a protocol. Lab work is critical! This says it all.....[B][I]After doing a lot of reading on this site [U]I didn’t want to make that big of a jump so I started injecting 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks[/U] and really liked the results. It didn’t seem to increase my sides and my libido improved but [U]ED persisted occasionally[/U].[/I][/B] Even 150 mg T/week is not low and slow! No one on this forum other than the misinformed would recommend starting someone on 150 mg T/week. So now 12 weeks after being on a piss-poor protocol (200mg T every 2 weeks), you decided on your own to jump into 150 mg T/week for 6 weeks and your libido improved yet you are still struggling with ED. Remember what I stated about the honeymoon period? So 6 weeks in on the new protocol you never had full blood work done and had absolutely no idea where your trough TT, FT, estradiol let alone SHBG sat yet a week and a half before your appointment you go and up your dose from 150 mg T/week--->to a whopping 200 mg T/week split into twice-weekly injections (100mg T every 3.5 days).....go figure. This says it all.....[I][B]A week and a half before my appointment [U]I switched to 100 mg test cipionate every 3.5 days (trip to Vegas with the wife) to see how it affected me and all signs of ED went away and my wife and I both really liked the results[/U] and hoped my [/B][/I][B][I]hematocrit levels wouldn’t be too high so we could keep that dose[/I][/B] Again remember what I stated about the honeymoon period? Now seeing as you just upped your dose from 150 mg T/week to 200 mg T/week (100 mg every 3.5 days) you never even gave it a full 6 weeks for blood levels to stabilize yet you had blood work done which would skew your results. You were hitting an absurdly high TT 1436 ng/dL 2 days post-injection and that is not even your true peak let alone your blood levels have not even stabilized (4-6 weeks). You are injecting a whopping 200 mg T/week split (100mg every 3.5 days) so your true trough would be 84 hrs (3.5 days) post-injection. This says it all.....[B][I]Got tested when I got back two days after a shot (peak) and my total T was 1436, and despite the increased dose my hematocrit dropped to 55 (still not good) so I think the grapefruit is helping.[/I][/B] Again you do not understand how exogenous T works. Whether starting trt or tweaking a protocol (increasing dose of T) hormones will be in [B][I]FLUX [/I][/B]during the weeks leading up until blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks due to half-life TC/TE) and it is common for many to experience ups/downs during the transition as the body is trying to [B][I]adjust[/I][/B]. It is common when first starting trt or tweaking a protocol (increasing dose of T) to experience what we call the [B][I]HONEYMOON PERIOD[/I][/B] where there is an [I][B]overall euphoric feeling and a [I]strong increase in libido/erections due to the rising T-[/I]levels/increased dopamine, lighting up of the AR (androgen receptor)[/B][/I]. Unfortunately, this is temporary and short-lived as the body will eventually[B][I] adapt[/I][/B] to the [B][I]new set-point[/I][/B] once [B][I]blood levels have stabilized[/I][/B] and the strong increase in libido/erections let alone euphoric feeling tends to wane. As I stated previously even once blood levels have stabilized (4-6 weeks) it will take time for the body to [B][I]adapt to the new set-point[/I][/B] and this is the critical time period when one should gauge how they truly feel overall regarding relief/improvement of low-T symptoms. Every protocol should be given 12 weeks to claim whether it was truly a success or failure. When looking at the bigger picture the first 6 weeks mean nothing. Patience is key! Can you see where this is going? Seems to be a complete mess. [/QUOTE]
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