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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 148999" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>You stated....<strong>"My test has recently been <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1500+ total and 25-27 free </span>using the <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">cheap total t and direct free t</span>...meaning 2 draws in the past 6months it was this.</strong> <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>Tru T calculates me to be at 50 free T"</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If this is the cheap test you are refering to <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">"1500+ total and 25-27 free </span>using the <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">cheap total t and direct free t"</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35501/testosterone-free-direct-with-total-testosterone" target="_blank">140103: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone | LabCorp</a> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong>Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone</strong></span></p><p>TEST:140103 </p><p>Test number copied</p><p></p><p>CPT: 84402; 84403</p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Test Details</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Synonyms</strong></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Free Testosterone, Direct and Total</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Methodology</strong></span></p><p><strong>Free T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Direct analog enzyme immunoassay (EIA)</span></strong></p><p><strong>Total T:</strong> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA)</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Total T:</strong> <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) -</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong> 1500+ ng/dL</strong></span></p><p></p><p><strong>Free T:</strong> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)- </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">25-27 ng/dL</span></strong></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://tru-t.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">TruT </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Free Testosterone Calculator by </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">FPT</span></strong></span></a></p><p></p><p><strong>TT 1500 ng/dL</strong>, <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">SHBG 45.9 nmol/L</span></strong>, <strong><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)">Albumin 4.5 g/dL</span></strong> would give you a<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> FT of 51.33 ng/dL</span></strong><span style="color: rgb(40, 50, 78)">.....roughly what you stated</span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <strong>"</strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>Tru T calculates me to be at 50 free T"</strong></span></span></p><p>[ATTACH=full]7480[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now you can see the difference using the<span style="color: rgb(26, 188, 156)"> <strong>direct analog-based free testosterone immunoassays</strong> <strong>which are known to be inaccurate</strong> </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">your </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>FT is 25-27 ng/dL</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"> compared to the when using the new calculated method </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>TruT</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong> Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT </strong>your </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>FT is 51.33 ng/dL</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><strong>I recently got the expensive t test (ultrafiltration) and it said test 972 and free t 30.</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35516/testosterone-free-equilibrium-ultrafiltration-with-total-testosterone-lc-ms-ms" target="_blank">070038: Testosterone, Free, Equilibrium Ultrafiltration... | LabCorp</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong>Testosterone, Free, Equilibrium Ultrafiltration With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS</strong></span></p><p>TEST: <a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/javascript%3Avoid(0)" target="_blank">070038 </a></p><p><a href="https://www.excelmale.com/forum/javascript%3Avoid(0)" target="_blank">Test number copied</a></p><p></p><p>CPT: 84402; 84403</p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Test Details</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong>Methodology</strong></span></p><p><strong>Free: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration</span></strong></p><p><strong>Total: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Total T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">LC/MS-MS </span>- 972 ng/dL</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Free T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration</span> - 30 ng/dL</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://tru-t.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 18px"><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">TruT </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Free Testosterone Calculator by </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">FPT</span></strong></span></a></p><p></p><p><strong>TT 972 ng/dL</strong>, <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">SHBG 45.9 nmol/L</span></strong>, <strong><span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)">Albumin 4.5 g/dL</span></strong> would give you a<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> FT of 31.75 ng/dL</span></strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">.....which is very close to the results you had from </span><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)"><strong>Equilibrium Ultrafiltration which has your FT at 30 ng/dL</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">......roughly what you stated </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>"</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>I recently got the expensive t test (ultrafiltration) and it said test 972 and free t 30"</strong></span></span></p><p>[ATTACH=full]7482[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now you can see the difference using the <strong><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration your FT is 30ng/dL </span></strong>compared to when using the new calculated method <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>TruT</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong> Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT </strong>your </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>FT is 31.75 ng/dL</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">.....very close.</span></p><p></p><p>When testing FT <span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration</span> is considered the next best method when compared to the <strong><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)">gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis</span></strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the 1st set of labs for TT you used the:<strong>Total T:</strong> <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) -</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong> 1500+ ng/dL</strong></span></p><p></p><p>For FT you used the:<strong>Free T:</strong> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)- </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">25-27 ng/dL</span></strong></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the second set of labs for TT you used the: <strong>Total T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">LC/MS-MS </span>- 972 ng/dL</strong></p><p></p><p>For FT you used the:<strong>Free T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration</span> - 30 ng/dL</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So we have no idea if your protocol T dose/injection frequency/hCG dose (or if it was used)</p><p>have been kept the same between the 2 sets of lab work you had done and whether labs were done a trough (most likely were as you would know this)?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Lets just say if protocol was consistent between both sets of labs than in the 1st set of labs the accuracy of the assays would not be comparable to the 2nd set of labs.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Total T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">LC/MS-MS </span></strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">would be the more accurate assay when compared to the <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">which are</span> known for </span><span style="color: rgb(26, 188, 156)"><strong>(Reduced accuracy at low/high T levels and Significant inter-assay variability)</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Free T: <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Equilibrium Ultrafiltration </span></strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">would be the more accurate assay when compared to the</span><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"> <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)</span> </strong></span></strong></span></strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">which it has been stated that</span></span><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(26, 188, 156)"> the widely used direct immunoassay and tracer analog techniques for measuring fT have been shown to be inaccurate. </span></strong></span></strong></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would be basing your results of the 2nd set of labs which also compare well to the new calculated method <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>TruT</strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong> Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT </strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 148999, member: 13851"] You stated....[B]"My test has recently been [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1500+ total and 25-27 free [/COLOR]using the [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]cheap total t and direct free t[/COLOR]...meaning 2 draws in the past 6months it was this.[/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]Tru T calculates me to be at 50 free T"[/B][/COLOR] If this is the cheap test you are refering to [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]"1500+ total and 25-27 free [/COLOR]using the [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]cheap total t and direct free t"[/COLOR][/B] [URL="https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35501/testosterone-free-direct-with-total-testosterone"]140103: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone | LabCorp[/URL] [SIZE=26px][B]Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone[/B][/SIZE] TEST:140103 Test number copied CPT: 84402; 84403 [SIZE=22px][B]Test Details[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B]Synonyms[/B][/SIZE] [LIST] [*]Free Testosterone, Direct and Total [/LIST] [SIZE=18px][B]Methodology[/B][/SIZE] [B]Free T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Direct analog enzyme immunoassay (EIA)[/COLOR] Total T:[/B] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA)[/COLOR][/B] [B]Total T:[/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) -[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B] 1500+ ng/dL[/B][/COLOR] [B]Free T:[/B] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)- [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]25-27 ng/dL[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B] [URL='https://tru-t.org/'][SIZE=18px][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]TruT [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Free Testosterone Calculator by [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]FPT[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/URL] [B]TT 1500 ng/dL[/B], [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]SHBG 45.9 nmol/L[/COLOR][/B], [B][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)]Albumin 4.5 g/dL[/COLOR][/B] would give you a[B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] FT of 51.33 ng/dL[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(40, 50, 78)].....roughly what you stated[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [B]"[/B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]Tru T calculates me to be at 50 free T"[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR] [ATTACH=full]7480[/ATTACH] Now you can see the difference using the[COLOR=rgb(26, 188, 156)] [B]direct analog-based free testosterone immunoassays[/B] [B]which are known to be inaccurate[/B] [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]your [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]FT is 25-27 ng/dL[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] compared to the when using the new calculated method [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]TruT[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B] Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT [/B]your [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]FT is 51.33 ng/dL[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][B]I recently got the expensive t test (ultrafiltration) and it said test 972 and free t 30.[/B][/COLOR] [URL='https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35516/testosterone-free-equilibrium-ultrafiltration-with-total-testosterone-lc-ms-ms']070038: Testosterone, Free, Equilibrium Ultrafiltration... | LabCorp[/URL] [SIZE=26px][B]Testosterone, Free, Equilibrium Ultrafiltration With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS[/B][/SIZE] TEST: [URL='https://www.excelmale.com/forum/javascript%3Avoid(0)']070038 Test number copied[/URL] CPT: 84402; 84403 [SIZE=22px][B]Test Details[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B]Methodology[/B][/SIZE] [B]Free: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration[/COLOR] Total: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS)[/COLOR][/B] [B]Total T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]LC/MS-MS [/COLOR]- 972 ng/dL[/B] [B]Free T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration[/COLOR] - 30 ng/dL[/B] [URL='https://tru-t.org/'][SIZE=18px][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]TruT [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Free Testosterone Calculator by [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]FPT[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/URL] [B]TT 972 ng/dL[/B], [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]SHBG 45.9 nmol/L[/COLOR][/B], [B][COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)]Albumin 4.5 g/dL[/COLOR][/B] would give you a[B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] FT of 31.75 ng/dL[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)].....which is very close to the results you had from [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)][B]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration which has your FT at 30 ng/dL[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]......roughly what you stated [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]"[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]I recently got the expensive t test (ultrafiltration) and it said test 972 and free t 30"[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR] [ATTACH=full]7482[/ATTACH] Now you can see the difference using the [B][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration your FT is 30ng/dL [/COLOR][/B]compared to when using the new calculated method [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]TruT[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B] Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT [/B]your [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]FT is 31.75 ng/dL[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)].....very close.[/COLOR] When testing FT [COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration[/COLOR] is considered the next best method when compared to the [B][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)]gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis[/COLOR][/B]. In the 1st set of labs for TT you used the:[B]Total T:[/B] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) -[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B] 1500+ ng/dL[/B][/COLOR] For FT you used the:[B]Free T:[/B] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)- [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]25-27 ng/dL[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B] In the second set of labs for TT you used the: [B]Total T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]LC/MS-MS [/COLOR]- 972 ng/dL[/B] For FT you used the:[B]Free T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration[/COLOR] - 30 ng/dL[/B] So we have no idea if your protocol T dose/injection frequency/hCG dose (or if it was used) have been kept the same between the 2 sets of lab work you had done and whether labs were done a trough (most likely were as you would know this)? Lets just say if protocol was consistent between both sets of labs than in the 1st set of labs the accuracy of the assays would not be comparable to the 2nd set of labs. [B]Total T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]LC/MS-MS [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]would be the more accurate assay when compared to the [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]which are[/COLOR] known for [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(26, 188, 156)][B](Reduced accuracy at low/high T levels and Significant inter-assay variability)[/B][/COLOR] [B]Free T: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Equilibrium Ultrafiltration [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]would be the more accurate assay when compared to the[/COLOR][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)] [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]direct analog/radioimmunoassay (RIA)[/COLOR] [/B][/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]which it has been stated that[/COLOR][/COLOR][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B][COLOR=rgb(26, 188, 156)] the widely used direct immunoassay and tracer analog techniques for measuring fT have been shown to be inaccurate. [/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/B] I would be basing your results of the 2nd set of labs which also compare well to the new calculated method [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]TruT[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B] Free Testosterone Calculator by FPT [/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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