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Daily Sustanon - The Best Results Yet
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<blockquote data-quote="Cataceous" data-source="post: 166625" data-attributes="member: 38109"><p>The anecdotes aren't necessarily inconsistent with the available scientific research. When they are based on non-trough measurements a great deal of variation is possible. The research generally supports the concept of identical <em>average</em> levels of hormones resulting when the same amounts of pure testosterone are delivered. However, in the case of conversion to E2 or DHT, the more you push into supraphysiological territory, the less efficient the conversion due to saturation of the respective enzymes. So if you are delivering a huge dose then a shorter ester creates less total E2 and DHT than the equivalent dose of a longer ester. None of this is applicable to small daily doses of Sustanon. It is going produce close to the same amount of E2 and DHT as equivalent doses of any other ester. Any subjective differences are due to varying hormone levels, not differing total amounts of metabolites. It's also possible that peak and trough hormone levels have influences that are relatively independent of average levels. It would be useful to have research exploring this further.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This guy would have more credibility if his references supported his statements. He says "So going back to the study (2) estradiol levels were much higher with the group using long esters despite identical doses of the drug. So in short, long esters cause a higher rise in estrogen." But if you go to the source and look at Figure 2 you find that testosterone undecanoate yields the lowest AOC for estradiol. This study also uses only five monkeys for each group, which is a relatively small N for decent statistics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cataceous, post: 166625, member: 38109"] The anecdotes aren't necessarily inconsistent with the available scientific research. When they are based on non-trough measurements a great deal of variation is possible. The research generally supports the concept of identical [I]average[/I] levels of hormones resulting when the same amounts of pure testosterone are delivered. However, in the case of conversion to E2 or DHT, the more you push into supraphysiological territory, the less efficient the conversion due to saturation of the respective enzymes. So if you are delivering a huge dose then a shorter ester creates less total E2 and DHT than the equivalent dose of a longer ester. None of this is applicable to small daily doses of Sustanon. It is going produce close to the same amount of E2 and DHT as equivalent doses of any other ester. Any subjective differences are due to varying hormone levels, not differing total amounts of metabolites. It's also possible that peak and trough hormone levels have influences that are relatively independent of average levels. It would be useful to have research exploring this further. This guy would have more credibility if his references supported his statements. He says "So going back to the study (2) estradiol levels were much higher with the group using long esters despite identical doses of the drug. So in short, long esters cause a higher rise in estrogen." But if you go to the source and look at Figure 2 you find that testosterone undecanoate yields the lowest AOC for estradiol. This study also uses only five monkeys for each group, which is a relatively small N for decent statistics. [/QUOTE]
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