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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 183256" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Dosing should be based on the desired response balanced with side effects and tolerance for side effects. The response (effects and side effects) vary widely with any given dose. You can’t dose based on blood levels, dose based on response and sides.<u> Normal range for women is meaningless and if you treat to simply restore “normal’ it is unlikely you’ll see anything positive changes in libido, energy, mental clarity, menopausal Sx, body comp, etc. You really need supraphysiological to achieve results</u> and that doesn’t mean the patient will end up with a beard as some suggest.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">All the positive changes you mention aside from drastic body composition changes could easily be attained by replacing physiological levels in the upper end or slightly above.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">The main goal of hrt is to treat symptoms while at the same time avoiding/minimize any potential side-effects.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Doubtful there would be any issues with slightly supra-physiological levels but again in the majority of cases, this would never be needed.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">The positive effects are increased libido, energy, metabolism, BMD and lean mass, sense of well being and increased confidence/self-esteem, and resolution of menopausal Sx without the need for estrogen.</span></p><p></p><p>You must be confused as T was never meant to be the dominant hormone in females.</p><p></p><p>Healthy e2 levels are critical.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">The most common side effects are acne, hair growth, clitoral enlargement and balding and the extent is very individualized. Some women develop sides with very low dosing, others can tolerate blood levels up to 500 ng/dl with few sides. Tolerance to sides is also very individual.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">The majority of such side-effects would happen when running very high supra-physiological levels aside from the sensitive individuals who would experience negative sides even using low doses.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">No woman on standard hrt (menopausal/HSSD) should be walking around with a TT 500 ng/dL.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Some women love the way they feel on T and are willing to accept some level of virilizing sides, others have one extra hair on their face and they freak out. Acne tends to resolve with time and continuing treatment, this has been observed in the FTM lit. Most other sides, voice change and clitoral enlargement stabilize with time as does hair growth. For some women in a male dominated business environment, the deeper voice sounds more authoritative and works to their benefit. The clitoral enlargement/increased sensitivity (within reason) is generally feared until it happens and then the nuclear orgasms that accompany are game changers for their sex life. Women shave just about every place on their bodies but to have to shave a few hairs off their face it suddenly turns into a crisis. Again depends on tolerance. For some, no big deal, shave or laser it off, for others it is intolerable. The only side that is really bothersome is the hair loss. Depends on genetics, some have issues even at very low doses, others do not at higher doses. For some T results in scalp hair growth (Glaser). All forms of non-methylated testosterone (esters, pellets, cream and oral micronized) should have minimal if any effects on blood lipids, maybe a slight decrease in HDL and not clinically relevant. The remaining labs (LFTs) should be unremarkable.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Again we are speaking in terms of standard HRT/HSSD not jacking females on T.</span></p><p></p><p>Doses of T used for menopause/HSSD and FTM are night and day.</p><p></p><p>We are not trying to jack up androgens to the point of causing masculinizing sides, let alone transitioning (FTM).</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">One female at the gym is on TC 50 mg/5 days (prescribed). Total blood T is about 670 ng/dl and fT about 23, this was 4 days after an inj and 6 months of treatment and 3 years on cream prior to that. Slight change in voice and a little more blond body hair, that’s it. No acne, hair loss, etc. Her physique is impressive for a 25 yr old pro figure competitor let alone at 54 yr old female. Hard as nails, lean and very muscular. BMD 3x normal for a young female. No other sides, labs are fine.</span></p><p></p><p>Amazing walking around with testosterone levels of a healthy young male.</p><p></p><p>Bodybuilding/impressive physique who knew lol!</p><p></p><p>You are well aware this is a men's and women's health/HRT forum.</p><p></p><p>Touting such nonsense on here.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Make sure the patient knows exactly what they are getting into. <u>If they are really fearful of any cosmetic sides, I wouldn’t treat them, not worth the risk</u>.</span></p><p></p><p>You think!</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Bottom line, <u>the response to T in women is very individualized</u>, treat that way.</span></p><p></p><p>Sure is but such levels you speak of would never be needed</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 183256, member: 13851"] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Dosing should be based on the desired response balanced with side effects and tolerance for side effects. The response (effects and side effects) vary widely with any given dose. You can’t dose based on blood levels, dose based on response and sides.[U] Normal range for women is meaningless and if you treat to simply restore “normal’ it is unlikely you’ll see anything positive changes in libido, energy, mental clarity, menopausal Sx, body comp, etc. You really need supraphysiological to achieve results[/U] and that doesn’t mean the patient will end up with a beard as some suggest.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]All the positive changes you mention aside from drastic body composition changes could easily be attained by replacing physiological levels in the upper end or slightly above. The main goal of hrt is to treat symptoms while at the same time avoiding/minimize any potential side-effects. Doubtful there would be any issues with slightly supra-physiological levels but again in the majority of cases, this would never be needed.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]The positive effects are increased libido, energy, metabolism, BMD and lean mass, sense of well being and increased confidence/self-esteem, and resolution of menopausal Sx without the need for estrogen.[/COLOR] You must be confused as T was never meant to be the dominant hormone in females. Healthy e2 levels are critical. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]The most common side effects are acne, hair growth, clitoral enlargement and balding and the extent is very individualized. Some women develop sides with very low dosing, others can tolerate blood levels up to 500 ng/dl with few sides. Tolerance to sides is also very individual.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]The majority of such side-effects would happen when running very high supra-physiological levels aside from the sensitive individuals who would experience negative sides even using low doses. No woman on standard hrt (menopausal/HSSD) should be walking around with a TT 500 ng/dL.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Some women love the way they feel on T and are willing to accept some level of virilizing sides, others have one extra hair on their face and they freak out. Acne tends to resolve with time and continuing treatment, this has been observed in the FTM lit. Most other sides, voice change and clitoral enlargement stabilize with time as does hair growth. For some women in a male dominated business environment, the deeper voice sounds more authoritative and works to their benefit. The clitoral enlargement/increased sensitivity (within reason) is generally feared until it happens and then the nuclear orgasms that accompany are game changers for their sex life. Women shave just about every place on their bodies but to have to shave a few hairs off their face it suddenly turns into a crisis. Again depends on tolerance. For some, no big deal, shave or laser it off, for others it is intolerable. The only side that is really bothersome is the hair loss. Depends on genetics, some have issues even at very low doses, others do not at higher doses. For some T results in scalp hair growth (Glaser). All forms of non-methylated testosterone (esters, pellets, cream and oral micronized) should have minimal if any effects on blood lipids, maybe a slight decrease in HDL and not clinically relevant. The remaining labs (LFTs) should be unremarkable.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Again we are speaking in terms of standard HRT/HSSD not jacking females on T.[/COLOR] Doses of T used for menopause/HSSD and FTM are night and day. We are not trying to jack up androgens to the point of causing masculinizing sides, let alone transitioning (FTM). [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]One female at the gym is on TC 50 mg/5 days (prescribed). Total blood T is about 670 ng/dl and fT about 23, this was 4 days after an inj and 6 months of treatment and 3 years on cream prior to that. Slight change in voice and a little more blond body hair, that’s it. No acne, hair loss, etc. Her physique is impressive for a 25 yr old pro figure competitor let alone at 54 yr old female. Hard as nails, lean and very muscular. BMD 3x normal for a young female. No other sides, labs are fine.[/COLOR] Amazing walking around with testosterone levels of a healthy young male. Bodybuilding/impressive physique who knew lol! You are well aware this is a men's and women's health/HRT forum. Touting such nonsense on here. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Make sure the patient knows exactly what they are getting into. [U]If they are really fearful of any cosmetic sides, I wouldn’t treat them, not worth the risk[/U].[/COLOR] You think! [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Bottom line, [U]the response to T in women is very individualized[/U], treat that way.[/COLOR] Sure is but such levels you speak of would never be needed [/QUOTE]
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