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Clomid & Testosterone: Why they don't work together - By Mike Gaiso
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<blockquote data-quote="Disco41" data-source="post: 64811" data-attributes="member: 15253"><p>I guess it is time to come out of my shell a bit. I've been on all sorts of forums looking for a place to spend the most of my time based on the merit of discussion (professionalism, respect, and quality of knowledge). This site is fantastic, above and beyond! Thank you Nelson et al. ! </p><p>I have been on TRT for exactly one year now. I am 41. My original labs were TT 420, FT 6.1. Based on my labs and symptoms, my urologist started me on TRT, 250mg/2wks. I did that and got about 50% of what i had hoped for in terms of libido, strength, energy, mood, you name it. I admit, i wanted to be 18 again. About 8 months ago i started doing 200mg every week (i wanted to accumulate the T based on the half life) b/c he wrote my last Rx wrong, so i was getting 600mg for the entire month. I then would say i found about 70% of what i had hoped, so have been doing that. And for the first time in my entire life i have now at least started to actually build muscle with my workouts. I have worked out HARD since i was 18 and have always been a hard gainer. I have been thanking God for seeing not only the fruit of my labor in the gym, but feeling more "normal" in terms of energy and libido. Then the testicular suppression began. I did not think it would bother me. But my fiance loves "the boys" despite the fact i never had a real looking set of "boys" in the first place. And seeing the sagging skin did bother me as well. I live in rural MT, hard to get in to see my Dr. 2 hrs away, but he did order a sperm count and motility, and i surprisingly passed. So he would not order HCG. To be fair, i figured my sperm would be low so i did not explain via email my aesthetic displeasure, it was purely based on my ability to fertilize with my fiance (but we are not going to try for children at this point, i just did not tell him that, hoping to get HCG based on a higher form of reason than aesthetics. I should have just been honest, i know). After researching, i saw how clomid may help, and that i could get it from Canada, so i did. I know i should not have w/o a Dr. so no need to chastise me for that, i get it. I did 50 mg for 2 days to jump start, and have been doing 25mg a day for 2 weeks. To downsize the possibility of the placebo effect, all i expected from the clomid was hopefully to gain my testicles back, and hopefully another little boost to my test for libido, mood, workout,etc. What has happened is a <u><strong>HUGE </strong></u>increase in my libido and my mood. Nothing in the gym yet (time proportional i know). I do feel 20 again. Before 2 weeks ago, i maybe woke up with wood once every 2 months. For the past 5-10 days, its every morning. I am wanting sex every single night too, rather than 2x a week, which was still a huge improvement for me while just on test. So, that is why i have been on this thread a lot. This thread is by far the most intelligent thing i have found to be a part of, along with the rest of the site. And that is why i have been offering a voice of dissent/question to those of you saying the HPTA is shutdown, and clomid does not work, and agreeing with the other success stories. My analysis of clomid, HPTA, etc at this point is this. And of course i speak only for myself and others that have had success with clomid while on TRT. The HPTA is suppressed, not shut down, while on TRT at 200 plus mg per week. Suppressed and shutdown are 2 different things, and we should acknowledge that verbage perhaps as we discuss this issue, bc there is a difference, i am sure we all would agree. I would also agree that HCG and leydig cell sensitization seems to occur with the higher dosage use. I have no problem with HCG, I just would offer at this point that it is not the only viable option perhaps. My clomid use has been short term, i know that. But that does not mean my initial results are invalid, esp when they concur with other clomid success stories with long term users. The Dr's on here seem to acknowledge this to a point, Dr. Saya i believe. I see my Dr. Tuesday 3/07/17. I plan to confess my holiday inn express medical degree decision to try clomid, ask for forgiveness and direction. I know some labs would be helpful etc. I just wanted to say that at this point, I am better after adding the clomid, so far......And there does seem to be a little less skin sagging already as well. That is my story thus far. I really do not think a placebo effect is taking place. I had no expectations proportional to what has occurred. And since adding the clomid is the only change, i have to conclude that is what is causing the positive effects. If things change, i will certainly acknowledge them. I do not want to digress of course! Thanks fellas!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Disco41, post: 64811, member: 15253"] I guess it is time to come out of my shell a bit. I've been on all sorts of forums looking for a place to spend the most of my time based on the merit of discussion (professionalism, respect, and quality of knowledge). This site is fantastic, above and beyond! Thank you Nelson et al. ! I have been on TRT for exactly one year now. I am 41. My original labs were TT 420, FT 6.1. Based on my labs and symptoms, my urologist started me on TRT, 250mg/2wks. I did that and got about 50% of what i had hoped for in terms of libido, strength, energy, mood, you name it. I admit, i wanted to be 18 again. About 8 months ago i started doing 200mg every week (i wanted to accumulate the T based on the half life) b/c he wrote my last Rx wrong, so i was getting 600mg for the entire month. I then would say i found about 70% of what i had hoped, so have been doing that. And for the first time in my entire life i have now at least started to actually build muscle with my workouts. I have worked out HARD since i was 18 and have always been a hard gainer. I have been thanking God for seeing not only the fruit of my labor in the gym, but feeling more "normal" in terms of energy and libido. Then the testicular suppression began. I did not think it would bother me. But my fiance loves "the boys" despite the fact i never had a real looking set of "boys" in the first place. And seeing the sagging skin did bother me as well. I live in rural MT, hard to get in to see my Dr. 2 hrs away, but he did order a sperm count and motility, and i surprisingly passed. So he would not order HCG. To be fair, i figured my sperm would be low so i did not explain via email my aesthetic displeasure, it was purely based on my ability to fertilize with my fiance (but we are not going to try for children at this point, i just did not tell him that, hoping to get HCG based on a higher form of reason than aesthetics. I should have just been honest, i know). After researching, i saw how clomid may help, and that i could get it from Canada, so i did. I know i should not have w/o a Dr. so no need to chastise me for that, i get it. I did 50 mg for 2 days to jump start, and have been doing 25mg a day for 2 weeks. To downsize the possibility of the placebo effect, all i expected from the clomid was hopefully to gain my testicles back, and hopefully another little boost to my test for libido, mood, workout,etc. What has happened is a [U][B]HUGE [/B][/U]increase in my libido and my mood. Nothing in the gym yet (time proportional i know). I do feel 20 again. Before 2 weeks ago, i maybe woke up with wood once every 2 months. For the past 5-10 days, its every morning. I am wanting sex every single night too, rather than 2x a week, which was still a huge improvement for me while just on test. So, that is why i have been on this thread a lot. This thread is by far the most intelligent thing i have found to be a part of, along with the rest of the site. And that is why i have been offering a voice of dissent/question to those of you saying the HPTA is shutdown, and clomid does not work, and agreeing with the other success stories. My analysis of clomid, HPTA, etc at this point is this. And of course i speak only for myself and others that have had success with clomid while on TRT. The HPTA is suppressed, not shut down, while on TRT at 200 plus mg per week. Suppressed and shutdown are 2 different things, and we should acknowledge that verbage perhaps as we discuss this issue, bc there is a difference, i am sure we all would agree. I would also agree that HCG and leydig cell sensitization seems to occur with the higher dosage use. I have no problem with HCG, I just would offer at this point that it is not the only viable option perhaps. My clomid use has been short term, i know that. But that does not mean my initial results are invalid, esp when they concur with other clomid success stories with long term users. The Dr's on here seem to acknowledge this to a point, Dr. Saya i believe. I see my Dr. Tuesday 3/07/17. I plan to confess my holiday inn express medical degree decision to try clomid, ask for forgiveness and direction. I know some labs would be helpful etc. I just wanted to say that at this point, I am better after adding the clomid, so far......And there does seem to be a little less skin sagging already as well. That is my story thus far. I really do not think a placebo effect is taking place. I had no expectations proportional to what has occurred. And since adding the clomid is the only change, i have to conclude that is what is causing the positive effects. If things change, i will certainly acknowledge them. I do not want to digress of course! Thanks fellas! [/QUOTE]
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