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<blockquote data-quote="Vettester Chris" data-source="post: 4836" data-attributes="member: 696"><p>Clint, I see you also posted them up on the BW forum. All is good, if it comes up again just link your future threads to that one, and any updated labs can just be added to that same thread <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you by chance have the ranges on your LH & FSH labs? In most cases, 4.7i/UL on the LH isn't what I would call "in the tank", but a point or two higher might not hurt either. Although, I haven't kept track of it statistically over the years, I'd say a good majority of men that I've posted with over the years, who were diagnosed as secondary, and having serum levels in the higher 200's/lower 300's, 'usually' had LH values < 2.5i/UL. Again, there's no science or statistical data backing this, just more of an observational standpoint. I've corresponded with quite a few with similar serum results, sometimes lower, and the LH in the same range +/- a small margin, and some of them turned out to have an issue with one (1) or both testicles. Not saying this is you, just saying ...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Full-on primary hypo usually yields very high LH results, and very low serum levels. Just food for thought ... Stay on the course with your physician, and if the Clomid therapy is successful, you will have both higher gonadotropin levels, and definitely a higher serum level. If you see that your LH jumps up 2 or 3 points or more, but your test serum level is minimal, then you know it might be another factor. Actually, I like Keith's suggestion a lot!! That would tell you real quick about what direction this is going.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll tap on another area and hopefully not bog you down ... Your Free T4 has my attention. Again, this is just all conversational, and it's always best to align your decisions with a qualified physician. I'm of the opinion that a healthy FT4 and FT3 level will be in the 50% to 80% value of their respective ranges. Yours is at 19.3%. Now there's really not much more conversation I can make on this, as it's only one piece of the puzzle. T4 is your primary storage hormone produced by the thyroid, which converts downstream to T3. If I had to take a guess, based on the FT4, I'd say there's probably a similar pattern downstream, thus there's probably not much T3, T2, or T1. In other words, this could indicate hypothyroidism. </p><p></p><p></p><p>There's much more that is correlated with this, and even if your T4 is increased, then will it convert adequately, or will your T3 be effective at the cellular level. I stress you to research this further (places like stopthethyroidmadness.com are a great start), and get a complete thyroid panel (FT4, FT3, Reverse T3, TSH, TPO & TgAb Antibodies). There are also indicators like your calcium level of 9.3, which starts questioning areas like your Parathyroid glands. Again, research this deeper you will see what I'm talking about. One last thing then I'll shut up .. Add the other labs on STTM.com (all of them!), and pay close attention to Vitamin D. All indicators are that you are probably Vitamin D deficient, and your free test is just another. Your free testosterone is low at approx. 1.65% (at/around 44nmol/L on SHBG), which again will lead down the path of Vitamin D being a factor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vettester Chris, post: 4836, member: 696"] Clint, I see you also posted them up on the BW forum. All is good, if it comes up again just link your future threads to that one, and any updated labs can just be added to that same thread :) Do you by chance have the ranges on your LH & FSH labs? In most cases, 4.7i/UL on the LH isn't what I would call "in the tank", but a point or two higher might not hurt either. Although, I haven't kept track of it statistically over the years, I'd say a good majority of men that I've posted with over the years, who were diagnosed as secondary, and having serum levels in the higher 200's/lower 300's, 'usually' had LH values < 2.5i/UL. Again, there's no science or statistical data backing this, just more of an observational standpoint. I've corresponded with quite a few with similar serum results, sometimes lower, and the LH in the same range +/- a small margin, and some of them turned out to have an issue with one (1) or both testicles. Not saying this is you, just saying ... Full-on primary hypo usually yields very high LH results, and very low serum levels. Just food for thought ... Stay on the course with your physician, and if the Clomid therapy is successful, you will have both higher gonadotropin levels, and definitely a higher serum level. If you see that your LH jumps up 2 or 3 points or more, but your test serum level is minimal, then you know it might be another factor. Actually, I like Keith's suggestion a lot!! That would tell you real quick about what direction this is going. I'll tap on another area and hopefully not bog you down ... Your Free T4 has my attention. Again, this is just all conversational, and it's always best to align your decisions with a qualified physician. I'm of the opinion that a healthy FT4 and FT3 level will be in the 50% to 80% value of their respective ranges. Yours is at 19.3%. Now there's really not much more conversation I can make on this, as it's only one piece of the puzzle. T4 is your primary storage hormone produced by the thyroid, which converts downstream to T3. If I had to take a guess, based on the FT4, I'd say there's probably a similar pattern downstream, thus there's probably not much T3, T2, or T1. In other words, this could indicate hypothyroidism. There's much more that is correlated with this, and even if your T4 is increased, then will it convert adequately, or will your T3 be effective at the cellular level. I stress you to research this further (places like stopthethyroidmadness.com are a great start), and get a complete thyroid panel (FT4, FT3, Reverse T3, TSH, TPO & TgAb Antibodies). There are also indicators like your calcium level of 9.3, which starts questioning areas like your Parathyroid glands. Again, research this deeper you will see what I'm talking about. One last thing then I'll shut up .. Add the other labs on STTM.com (all of them!), and pay close attention to Vitamin D. All indicators are that you are probably Vitamin D deficient, and your free test is just another. Your free testosterone is low at approx. 1.65% (at/around 44nmol/L on SHBG), which again will lead down the path of Vitamin D being a factor. [/QUOTE]
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