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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 104292" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>Most on steroids are running very high supra-physiological levels as in 2000+ and I would not consider 1000+ very high, more like high/normal physiological levels as the top end of the range was recently 1200 (Labcorp).</p><p></p><p>Sure 900-1200 ng/dl is high but far from excessive.</p><p></p><p>I do not believe if someone is running higher testosterone levels (900-1200) in the physiological range that if they had to lower their dose to achieve mid-normal testosterone levels that they would feel any worse as long as their free t is in a healthy range and other hormones are in check.</p><p></p><p>As far as one using testosterone to achieve very high supra-physiological levels (2000+) when one uses steroids for the sole purpose of increasing muscle/strength gains.</p><p></p><p>When the cycle is stopped and without use of pct than one would suffer from low t symptoms until ones systems natural production kicks in or worst case scenario they will end up on trt permanently as their hpta was damaged due to abuse of the hormone among other factors.</p><p></p><p>I will agree that if one has very high supra-physiological levels due to steroid use whether cycling or blasting/cruising that when they return to normal physiological testosterone levels they will definitely feel a difference in overall effects as there would be a big difference in how ones system is effected when comparing physiological testosterone levels to very high supra-physiological levels.</p><p></p><p>As far as elevated e2, hematocrit/hemoglobin sure higher levels would make one more prone to these negative aspects and of course there are ways to control them (aromatase inhibitors and blood donations) and most importantly lowering ones dose to achieve lower testosterone levels.</p><p></p><p>Even than do understand that many can still have elevated e2, hematocrit/hemoglobin even at lower t dose/overall testosterone levels</p><p>due to genetics/ones sensitivity of the AR (androgen receptor)/polymorphism of the AR and CAG repeat length (short/long).</p><p></p><p>Mind you using the lowest possible t dose to achieve healthy testosterone levels to improve low t symptoms/overall well being and of course minimize side effect would be the best piece of advice when on trt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 104292, member: 13851"] Most on steroids are running very high supra-physiological levels as in 2000+ and I would not consider 1000+ very high, more like high/normal physiological levels as the top end of the range was recently 1200 (Labcorp). Sure 900-1200 ng/dl is high but far from excessive. I do not believe if someone is running higher testosterone levels (900-1200) in the physiological range that if they had to lower their dose to achieve mid-normal testosterone levels that they would feel any worse as long as their free t is in a healthy range and other hormones are in check. As far as one using testosterone to achieve very high supra-physiological levels (2000+) when one uses steroids for the sole purpose of increasing muscle/strength gains. When the cycle is stopped and without use of pct than one would suffer from low t symptoms until ones systems natural production kicks in or worst case scenario they will end up on trt permanently as their hpta was damaged due to abuse of the hormone among other factors. I will agree that if one has very high supra-physiological levels due to steroid use whether cycling or blasting/cruising that when they return to normal physiological testosterone levels they will definitely feel a difference in overall effects as there would be a big difference in how ones system is effected when comparing physiological testosterone levels to very high supra-physiological levels. As far as elevated e2, hematocrit/hemoglobin sure higher levels would make one more prone to these negative aspects and of course there are ways to control them (aromatase inhibitors and blood donations) and most importantly lowering ones dose to achieve lower testosterone levels. Even than do understand that many can still have elevated e2, hematocrit/hemoglobin even at lower t dose/overall testosterone levels due to genetics/ones sensitivity of the AR (androgen receptor)/polymorphism of the AR and CAG repeat length (short/long). Mind you using the lowest possible t dose to achieve healthy testosterone levels to improve low t symptoms/overall well being and of course minimize side effect would be the best piece of advice when on trt. [/QUOTE]
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