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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 246831" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>I do have some concerns with this study, especially when they use the term "Abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids. What exactly is steroids abuse, and what exact steroids are being abused? When I see this term being use I suspect some bias. Could the term anabolic steroid user's shown less bias?</p><p></p><p>Then I see this:</p><p></p><p><strong>Funding Information</strong></p><p><strong>AntiDoping Denmark</strong> (grant number: N/A), Research Foundation of Herlev Hospital (grant number: N/A), Danish Heart Foundation (grant number: 15-R99-A5797-22952), Faculty Scholarship from University of Copenhagen to JJR (grant number: N/A). The financial sources had no role in study design, conduction of study, statistical analyses, writing of manuscript or decision to publish final version of manuscript</p><p></p><p>Any way, I would certainly like to see more work done in this area as these findings are interesting.</p><p></p><p>Noticed also that in the Elbers etal (1997) study that the increase in visceral fat was most pronounced in those subjects who had gained weight. The changes in weight ranged from −10.0 to 9.6 kg after 1 yr and from −9.0 kg to 13.9 kg after 3 yr of treatment.</p><p></p><p>Were these gains from diet, or sedentary life styles or perhaps both. What is the leading cause of visceral fat? <strong>Poor diet and lack of exercise,</strong> which is especially a danger as you age because it increases your health risks</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Jolanda M. H. Elbers, Henk Asscheman, Jacob C. Seidell, Jos A. J. Megens, Louis J. G. Gooren, Long-Term Testosterone Administration Increases Visceral Fat in Female to Male Transsexuals, <em>The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism</em>, Volume 82, Issue 7, 1 July 1997, Pages 2044–2047, <a href="https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.82.7.4078" target="_blank">Long-Term Testosterone Administration Increases Visceral Fat in Female to Male Transsexuals1</a></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15472177/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Got to be specific when we talk about anabolic steroids, case in point:</p><p></p><p><em>By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), <strong>abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined </strong>(-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), <strong>the ratio VAT/SAT declined </strong>from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and <strong>proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined</strong> [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. <strong>Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo </strong>(P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). <strong>A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone</strong> by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. <strong>Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity.</strong></em></p><p></p><p>Might be we need to also look into aromatization of anabolic steroids. The more the ability to aromatize the greater the impact of estrogen on the estrogen receptors. One unique trait about oxandrolone as well as several other more anabolic steroids is that it doesn’t aromatize into estrogen or directly affect estrogen receptors.</p><p></p><p>Suspecting that some anabolic steroids might cause visceral fat one may need to add exercise to fight this. One thing for sure, pros do that most recreational lifers don't do much of is added cardio, particularly HIIT:</p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusions: </strong>HIIT was well accepted by overweight adults, and opting for HIIT as an alternative to standard exercise recommendations led to no difference in health outcomes after 12 months. Although regular participation in unsupervised HIIT declined rapidly, <strong>those apparently adherent to regular HIIT demonstrated beneficial weight loss and visceral fat reduction.</strong></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29683919/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>OK, weight training is basically HIIT. Brief periods of high intensity followed by periods of rest, so does it help burn visceral fat?</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23714599/[/URL]</p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusion: </strong>Increased intensity in high volume training is efficient in improving visceral fat loss and carotid-intima-media-thickness, and is realistic in community dwelling, moderately obese individuals. High-intensity-resistance training induced a faster visceral fat loss, and thus the potential of resistance training should not be undervalued. All of these Cooper Clinic guys must be choking on this one. Aerobic training is not so effective because of the word "intensity."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 246831, member: 43589"] I do have some concerns with this study, especially when they use the term "Abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids. What exactly is steroids abuse, and what exact steroids are being abused? When I see this term being use I suspect some bias. Could the term anabolic steroid user's shown less bias? Then I see this: [B]Funding Information AntiDoping Denmark[/B] (grant number: N/A), Research Foundation of Herlev Hospital (grant number: N/A), Danish Heart Foundation (grant number: 15-R99-A5797-22952), Faculty Scholarship from University of Copenhagen to JJR (grant number: N/A). The financial sources had no role in study design, conduction of study, statistical analyses, writing of manuscript or decision to publish final version of manuscript Any way, I would certainly like to see more work done in this area as these findings are interesting. Noticed also that in the Elbers etal (1997) study that the increase in visceral fat was most pronounced in those subjects who had gained weight. The changes in weight ranged from −10.0 to 9.6 kg after 1 yr and from −9.0 kg to 13.9 kg after 3 yr of treatment. Were these gains from diet, or sedentary life styles or perhaps both. What is the leading cause of visceral fat? [B]Poor diet and lack of exercise,[/B] which is especially a danger as you age because it increases your health risks [INDENT]Jolanda M. H. Elbers, Henk Asscheman, Jacob C. Seidell, Jos A. J. Megens, Louis J. G. Gooren, Long-Term Testosterone Administration Increases Visceral Fat in Female to Male Transsexuals, [I]The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism[/I], Volume 82, Issue 7, 1 July 1997, Pages 2044–2047, [URL='https://doi.org/10.1210/jcem.82.7.4078']Long-Term Testosterone Administration Increases Visceral Fat in Female to Male Transsexuals1[/URL][/INDENT] [URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15472177/[/URL] Got to be specific when we talk about anabolic steroids, case in point: [I]By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), [B]abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined [/B](-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), [B]the ratio VAT/SAT declined [/B]from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and [B]proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined[/B] [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. [B]Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo [/B](P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). [B]A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone[/B] by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. [B]Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity.[/B][/I] Might be we need to also look into aromatization of anabolic steroids. The more the ability to aromatize the greater the impact of estrogen on the estrogen receptors. One unique trait about oxandrolone as well as several other more anabolic steroids is that it doesn’t aromatize into estrogen or directly affect estrogen receptors. Suspecting that some anabolic steroids might cause visceral fat one may need to add exercise to fight this. One thing for sure, pros do that most recreational lifers don't do much of is added cardio, particularly HIIT: [B]Conclusions: [/B]HIIT was well accepted by overweight adults, and opting for HIIT as an alternative to standard exercise recommendations led to no difference in health outcomes after 12 months. Although regular participation in unsupervised HIIT declined rapidly, [B]those apparently adherent to regular HIIT demonstrated beneficial weight loss and visceral fat reduction.[/B] [URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29683919/[/URL] OK, weight training is basically HIIT. Brief periods of high intensity followed by periods of rest, so does it help burn visceral fat? [URL unfurl="true"]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23714599/[/URL] [B]Conclusion: [/B]Increased intensity in high volume training is efficient in improving visceral fat loss and carotid-intima-media-thickness, and is realistic in community dwelling, moderately obese individuals. High-intensity-resistance training induced a faster visceral fat loss, and thus the potential of resistance training should not be undervalued. All of these Cooper Clinic guys must be choking on this one. Aerobic training is not so effective because of the word "intensity." [/QUOTE]
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