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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 235186" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>If you are off TRT you are clean, not natural, being on TRT is not in anyway natural. My goals in the gym have never been longivity and wellness. I retired from 27 years of competition but still am not in the gym just to hang out and make friends. </p><p></p><p>My mentor for a few years was Dr. Fred Hatfield I asked him about how many times a week I needed to train and he made the following comment: He said when he was in the former Soviet Union the guys there trained each lift 9 times a week. Sometimes going 2-3 workouts a day. So I ask him if they didn't get over trained and he said, the body can adapt as much as you push it if you eat enough and get 8 hours of sleep. I was one of the few who trained all three powerlifts 100% year round. Much in the way Loiuie Smmons now preaches with Conjugate training. I hit a heavy squat, bench and deadlift every week year after year, constantly got stronger and slowly but surely gained more weight. Never got over trained. </p><p></p><p>No, you are right, you don't have to train 5 days a week nor did I ever claim you do. I said that I train 5 days a week. Why because I am not in this for wellness purposes or longivity. The fact that I competed on a high level for 27 years of my life shows a lot of longivity. Most never make it in any sport that long. Again, my conversation was ALL based on a claim that "you are supposed to do 8-12 reps until failure with the same weight for 3-4 sets. And increase the weight when you can do more then 12. Doing 10 sets is a waste of time." Failure is not nevessary and doing the same weight all the time 8-12 reps with 3-4 sets is not the only way to lift, certainly not optimal. 10 sets is NOT a waste of time. This was not a discussion about who trains better Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman. In fact, System Lord posed the question to why his muscles felt differently doing higer reps than lower reps. I'm not even sure how naturaly vs not so natural athletes got involved in this thread. That was never the question at the top of the page. </p><p></p><p>Why do you say Coleman says pretty much what comes to his mind? Do you know Coleman, ever spoken to him in person. His trainer Brian Dobson (owner metroflex) is a powerlifter. Brian got Coleman to enter powerlifting meets when he started out. I know Brian through the sport. Brian introduce me to Coleman quite a few years back. I have never known Coleman to just say things. Coleman is a very down home kind of guy who is very humble. Coleman trained the way he does because Brian Dobson coached him that way. Brian, told me that this is what works for Ronnie's physique.</p><p></p><p>Yates adopted the HIT principals only because he trained with Mike Mentzer at Golds. He never tried anything else. Yates also retired because of injuries (triceps tear). His training? Hardly, these things happen to athletes when they push the envelop to win. Guys who do 3-4 sets of 8-12 will never push themselves that far.</p><p></p><p>Jean-Pierre Fux, IFBB Pro who I also know, was one of those who pushed the weight. He was doing a photoshoot and pretty much ended his career with less weight that he normally trained with. Two blown patellas and ruptured quads and his caree ended just like that.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]26155[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks Belekas, however, I only know one way to train and there are very few that could keep up with me. 99% is not enough, you still have 1% more to give up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 235186, member: 43589"] If you are off TRT you are clean, not natural, being on TRT is not in anyway natural. My goals in the gym have never been longivity and wellness. I retired from 27 years of competition but still am not in the gym just to hang out and make friends. My mentor for a few years was Dr. Fred Hatfield I asked him about how many times a week I needed to train and he made the following comment: He said when he was in the former Soviet Union the guys there trained each lift 9 times a week. Sometimes going 2-3 workouts a day. So I ask him if they didn't get over trained and he said, the body can adapt as much as you push it if you eat enough and get 8 hours of sleep. I was one of the few who trained all three powerlifts 100% year round. Much in the way Loiuie Smmons now preaches with Conjugate training. I hit a heavy squat, bench and deadlift every week year after year, constantly got stronger and slowly but surely gained more weight. Never got over trained. No, you are right, you don't have to train 5 days a week nor did I ever claim you do. I said that I train 5 days a week. Why because I am not in this for wellness purposes or longivity. The fact that I competed on a high level for 27 years of my life shows a lot of longivity. Most never make it in any sport that long. Again, my conversation was ALL based on a claim that "you are supposed to do 8-12 reps until failure with the same weight for 3-4 sets. And increase the weight when you can do more then 12. Doing 10 sets is a waste of time." Failure is not nevessary and doing the same weight all the time 8-12 reps with 3-4 sets is not the only way to lift, certainly not optimal. 10 sets is NOT a waste of time. This was not a discussion about who trains better Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman. In fact, System Lord posed the question to why his muscles felt differently doing higer reps than lower reps. I'm not even sure how naturaly vs not so natural athletes got involved in this thread. That was never the question at the top of the page. Why do you say Coleman says pretty much what comes to his mind? Do you know Coleman, ever spoken to him in person. His trainer Brian Dobson (owner metroflex) is a powerlifter. Brian got Coleman to enter powerlifting meets when he started out. I know Brian through the sport. Brian introduce me to Coleman quite a few years back. I have never known Coleman to just say things. Coleman is a very down home kind of guy who is very humble. Coleman trained the way he does because Brian Dobson coached him that way. Brian, told me that this is what works for Ronnie's physique. Yates adopted the HIT principals only because he trained with Mike Mentzer at Golds. He never tried anything else. Yates also retired because of injuries (triceps tear). His training? Hardly, these things happen to athletes when they push the envelop to win. Guys who do 3-4 sets of 8-12 will never push themselves that far. Jean-Pierre Fux, IFBB Pro who I also know, was one of those who pushed the weight. He was doing a photoshoot and pretty much ended his career with less weight that he normally trained with. Two blown patellas and ruptured quads and his caree ended just like that. [ATTACH type="full" alt="Jean-Pierre-Fux.jpg"]26155[/ATTACH] Thanks Belekas, however, I only know one way to train and there are very few that could keep up with me. 99% is not enough, you still have 1% more to give up. [/QUOTE]
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