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<blockquote data-quote="Don Schultz" data-source="post: 15817" data-attributes="member: 17"><p>Kaiser Permanente is a <u>health care organization</u> in California and many other states. Its not insurance. KP has all their own docs, clinics, hospitals, etc etc. Its a closed system. The individual KP docs have no authority to go outside KP protocol and they are quick with their answers if you question them on things like HRT protocols. In this case their decision not to allow self injection is made high up the chain of command and the GPs and the Endos can not go outside KPs procedure, virtually no matter what, so I would be surprised to hear if ANY KP doc ever allowed self injection. In this case, it DOES cost KP more to require nurse injections. That does not minimize Nelson's assertion that most times this is motivated by insurance billing. KP is wonderful in many ways. I have 2 kids and my wife on KP after 30 years with Anthem. KP has wonderful access to nearly everything online including the ability to email docs who actually respond. I work with a cardiologist, an endo and a GP and they coordinate with each other in a very efficicent way. If one of my docs orders a blood test (done in house at KP), my other docs are notified and may times will order tests on my drawn blood that apply to their specialty. I switched because KP is now way cheaper than Anthem with my current employer. KP is great but for TRT, its rough going. My previous Anthem doc could prescribe HCG, and, although Anthem would not pay for it, at least I could get it on my own. KP will not prescribe HCG and will not allow home injection. I predict that they might allow self-injection some day. I will still have the issue with the HCG and some might say I could let the HCG go but for now I feel better taking it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Don Schultz, post: 15817, member: 17"] Kaiser Permanente is a [U]health care organization[/U] in California and many other states. Its not insurance. KP has all their own docs, clinics, hospitals, etc etc. Its a closed system. The individual KP docs have no authority to go outside KP protocol and they are quick with their answers if you question them on things like HRT protocols. In this case their decision not to allow self injection is made high up the chain of command and the GPs and the Endos can not go outside KPs procedure, virtually no matter what, so I would be surprised to hear if ANY KP doc ever allowed self injection. In this case, it DOES cost KP more to require nurse injections. That does not minimize Nelson's assertion that most times this is motivated by insurance billing. KP is wonderful in many ways. I have 2 kids and my wife on KP after 30 years with Anthem. KP has wonderful access to nearly everything online including the ability to email docs who actually respond. I work with a cardiologist, an endo and a GP and they coordinate with each other in a very efficicent way. If one of my docs orders a blood test (done in house at KP), my other docs are notified and may times will order tests on my drawn blood that apply to their specialty. I switched because KP is now way cheaper than Anthem with my current employer. KP is great but for TRT, its rough going. My previous Anthem doc could prescribe HCG, and, although Anthem would not pay for it, at least I could get it on my own. KP will not prescribe HCG and will not allow home injection. I predict that they might allow self-injection some day. I will still have the issue with the HCG and some might say I could let the HCG go but for now I feel better taking it. [/QUOTE]
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