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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
Anyone switch from Empower to Perrigo?
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 188521" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p><u>Sure if you went from high-normal or slightly supra-physiological TT/FT level down to low-normal or low then it would be expected</u>. <span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)">(On the contrary, I was on 100ml per week) </span></p><p></p><p>I am speaking of your blood levels when I state high-normal or slightly-supraphysiological as you said your TT/FT levels were lower on the same dose 100 mg/week after switching over to the Perrigo brand.</p><p></p><p>Many men can achieve high-normal T levels on 100 mg/week and some can even achieve higher levels.</p><p></p><p>So even if your TT/FT levels were only high-normal when using Empower and ended up mid-normal after switching over to Perrigo than unless you truly ended up with much lower T levels as in (low or low-normal) highly doubtful you are going to lose any strength.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><u>Although you stated you lost strength in the gym and felt more lethargic other factors can be at play and <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>highly doubtful anyone using trt doses </strong></span></u><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><u>that is running high-normal or slightly supraphysiological TT/FT levels would lose any strength if they ended up going down to mid-normal levels</u>.</span> <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">(I disagree, each individual body reacts differently to certain doses, and I'm confident with my experience) </span></p><p></p><p><u>Sure if you went from high-normal or slightly supra-physiological TT/FT level down to low-normal or low then it would be expected</u>. <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">(On the contrary, I was on 100ml per week)</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><u>We are on trt here using therapeutic doses, not steroids!</u> </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">(You're assuming I'm using professional body builder doses, and I'm only using therapeutic TRT doses </span></p><p></p><p></p><p>Guess you missed the part in the above paragraph where I stated <span style="color: rgb(44, 130, 201)"><u><strong>highly doubtful anyone using trt doses </strong><u>that is running high-normal or slightly supraphysiological TT/FT levels would lose any strength if they ended up going down to mid-normal levels</u></u>.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">I clearly understood that you are only using therapeutic doses of T (100 mg/week).</span></p><p></p><p>The point I was trying to make is that strength loss would not be expected when using such a dose of 100 mg/week unless your previous TT/FT levels when using Empower brand dropped significantly as in (low or low/normal levels) once you switched over to Perrigo brand.</p><p></p><p>Post your labs so I can see where your TT/FT levels sat when using Empower brand and Perrigo brand?</p><p></p><p>Post up both sets or better yet all 3 (Empower and the following 2 you had done within 6 months when switched over to Perrigo brand) than I can pick this apart.</p><p></p><p>Interested to see what TT/FT level you were running on the Epower brand and how much they dropped when you switched over to the Perrigo which you claim is under-dosed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 188521, member: 13851"] [U]Sure if you went from high-normal or slightly supra-physiological TT/FT level down to low-normal or low then it would be expected[/U]. [COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)](On the contrary, I was on 100ml per week) [/COLOR] I am speaking of your blood levels when I state high-normal or slightly-supraphysiological as you said your TT/FT levels were lower on the same dose 100 mg/week after switching over to the Perrigo brand. Many men can achieve high-normal T levels on 100 mg/week and some can even achieve higher levels. So even if your TT/FT levels were only high-normal when using Empower and ended up mid-normal after switching over to Perrigo than unless you truly ended up with much lower T levels as in (low or low-normal) highly doubtful you are going to lose any strength. [U]Although you stated you lost strength in the gym and felt more lethargic other factors can be at play and [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]highly doubtful anyone using trt doses [/B][/COLOR][/U][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][U]that is running high-normal or slightly supraphysiological TT/FT levels would lose any strength if they ended up going down to mid-normal levels[/U].[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](I disagree, each individual body reacts differently to certain doses, and I'm confident with my experience) [/COLOR] [U]Sure if you went from high-normal or slightly supra-physiological TT/FT level down to low-normal or low then it would be expected[/U]. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](On the contrary, I was on 100ml per week)[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][U]We are on trt here using therapeutic doses, not steroids![/U] [/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)](You're assuming I'm using professional body builder doses, and I'm only using therapeutic TRT doses [/COLOR] Guess you missed the part in the above paragraph where I stated [COLOR=rgb(44, 130, 201)][U][B]highly doubtful anyone using trt doses [/B][U]that is running high-normal or slightly supraphysiological TT/FT levels would lose any strength if they ended up going down to mid-normal levels[/U][/U].[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]I clearly understood that you are only using therapeutic doses of T (100 mg/week).[/COLOR] The point I was trying to make is that strength loss would not be expected when using such a dose of 100 mg/week unless your previous TT/FT levels when using Empower brand dropped significantly as in (low or low/normal levels) once you switched over to Perrigo brand. Post your labs so I can see where your TT/FT levels sat when using Empower brand and Perrigo brand? Post up both sets or better yet all 3 (Empower and the following 2 you had done within 6 months when switched over to Perrigo brand) than I can pick this apart. Interested to see what TT/FT level you were running on the Epower brand and how much they dropped when you switched over to the Perrigo which you claim is under-dosed. [/QUOTE]
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