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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
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Amendment to the Trt protocol. Daily protocol, EOD, doses? Consequences and parameters to follow.
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 194993" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>From post #2 (Jan13/2021)</p><p></p><p><strong><u>I started with 20Mg of testosterone cypionate / every two days subq</u>. <u>Today I have started 10 days (5 applications of 20Mg)</u>. As I previously had problems with hematocrit, high E2, decreased SHBG, testicular atrophy and decreased sperm, I decided to do some blood tests to follow up. Blood was collected 14 hours after the last subq injection. I know that the timing is not ideal, but if we know in advance what is happening along with the symptoms, could we not reduce some side effects and find the lowest dose with the benefits of exogenous testosterone?</strong></p><p></p><p>You are still not understanding how this works!</p><p></p><p>You just switched over from Nebido to TC 20 mg EOD which you have only been on for 10 days.</p><p></p><p>Having blood work done this soon is pointless as again when starting trt or tweaking a protocol (dose T/injection frequency) hormones will be in flux during the weeks leading up until blood levels stabilize (4-6 weeks).</p><p></p><p>You need to wait until your blood levels stabilize then have blood work done at the true trough.</p><p></p><p>Where your TT/FT/e2 levels sit as of now is misleading!</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><u>After the 5 sub injections of 20Mg what happened</u>. E2 has increased to the limit. The hematocrit is fine. Progesterone remains very low. TT and FT increased at the upper limit. I feel good, but a little anxious (E2?), Sensitive breasts. The SHBG keeps it low (12). Since E2 is increasing until the TT and FT levels stabilize, what do you think? <u>Do I decrease the dose by 20Mg or 15Mg or 12 Mg every two days? Do I change to 8Mg, 10 Mg daily</u>? Even if the E2 effect was changed to 10 Mg per day and the others would not tend to remain unbalanced?</strong></p><p></p><p>You need to stick to the protocol (dose T/injection frequency) as again it will take 4-6 weeks for blood levels to stabilize then blood work is done at the true trough to see where your TT/FT/e2 levels sit on such protocol.....end of story!</p><p></p><p>Your SHBG is very low and injecting lower doses of T more frequently as in daily or EOD would be sensible let alone you will not need a very high TT to achieve a healthy FT level.</p><p></p><p>You may always have issues with higher e2 depending on where your FT level sits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As of Jan 13, you were only 10 days on such protocol (20mg T EOD) and already getting labs done let alone you never gave it a fighting chance as you bailed out and are now on a new protocol (12 mg T E3D) and already getting labs done again?</p><p></p><p>This is a complete mess!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 194993, member: 13851"] From post #2 (Jan13/2021) [B][U]I started with 20Mg of testosterone cypionate / every two days subq[/U]. [U]Today I have started 10 days (5 applications of 20Mg)[/U]. As I previously had problems with hematocrit, high E2, decreased SHBG, testicular atrophy and decreased sperm, I decided to do some blood tests to follow up. Blood was collected 14 hours after the last subq injection. I know that the timing is not ideal, but if we know in advance what is happening along with the symptoms, could we not reduce some side effects and find the lowest dose with the benefits of exogenous testosterone?[/B] You are still not understanding how this works! You just switched over from Nebido to TC 20 mg EOD which you have only been on for 10 days. Having blood work done this soon is pointless as again when starting trt or tweaking a protocol (dose T/injection frequency) hormones will be in flux during the weeks leading up until blood levels stabilize (4-6 weeks). You need to wait until your blood levels stabilize then have blood work done at the true trough. Where your TT/FT/e2 levels sit as of now is misleading! [B][U]After the 5 sub injections of 20Mg what happened[/U]. E2 has increased to the limit. The hematocrit is fine. Progesterone remains very low. TT and FT increased at the upper limit. I feel good, but a little anxious (E2?), Sensitive breasts. The SHBG keeps it low (12). Since E2 is increasing until the TT and FT levels stabilize, what do you think? [U]Do I decrease the dose by 20Mg or 15Mg or 12 Mg every two days? Do I change to 8Mg, 10 Mg daily[/U]? Even if the E2 effect was changed to 10 Mg per day and the others would not tend to remain unbalanced?[/B] You need to stick to the protocol (dose T/injection frequency) as again it will take 4-6 weeks for blood levels to stabilize then blood work is done at the true trough to see where your TT/FT/e2 levels sit on such protocol.....end of story! Your SHBG is very low and injecting lower doses of T more frequently as in daily or EOD would be sensible let alone you will not need a very high TT to achieve a healthy FT level. You may always have issues with higher e2 depending on where your FT level sits. As of Jan 13, you were only 10 days on such protocol (20mg T EOD) and already getting labs done let alone you never gave it a fighting chance as you bailed out and are now on a new protocol (12 mg T E3D) and already getting labs done again? This is a complete mess! [/QUOTE]
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