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stx359,

Not taking sides here - but it did seem as if you came out swinging against Defy which may explain some of the responses you got. Defy is definitely not a T mill.

However, the basis of your argument seemed to be rooted in the assertion that since BBB had a TT of 600, he should have never tried TRT. However, note that BBB also stated that he has high SHBG and that his FT was 10. So perhaps we can put this one to bed based on his FT, which was indeed low and may warrant TRT. If anything, that confirms for me that Defy actually does know what they're doing - looking under the hood beyond the sometimes meaningless TT number.

I agree with you though that there are some b.s. mills out there that aren't helping anyone - but let's not paint Defy with that same brush.