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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Clomid for PCT, fertility or low T
26 Year Old - Clomid or HCG?
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<blockquote data-quote="penguinwoolf" data-source="post: 78523" data-attributes="member: 16323"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hi all,</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I hope this thread may develop into something of value for the members of this forum.</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I will soon have a follow up meeting with a Private Andrologist to decide whether I will move forward with Clomid or HCG Treatment. </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I would greatly appreciate any member feedback to help make my decision!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Background info</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Age - 26</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Weight - 67kg</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Height - 5 foot 10</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Bodyfat - approx 15%</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Body & Facial Hair</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">:</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Modest amount on arms, legs & chest</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No back hair</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Thick head of hair</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Ability to grow a (somewhat whispy) beard </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Health Conditions</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Dyspesia // Gastritis on and off since 2010. Most severe symptoms abated since cutting alcohol and improving diet & supplementation </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Diet:</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No alcohol since 2012</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No smoking since adolescence </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No recreational drugs</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No junk or processed foods consumed for a number of years</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No Gluten, Dairy and Soy since 2016</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Consume a balanced diet of wholefoods, organic where possible. A typical meal would be: Fish / Meat, Green vegetables, Starchy vegetables and Fruit</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Experimented with Intermittent Fasting since 2016</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Nutritional Deficiencies:</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Vitamin B12 (minor)</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Iron (minor)</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Supplementation:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1 tsp Collagen</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1-2 caps Turmeric</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">12mg Iron</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Vitamin B12</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1-2x Probiotics capsules</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2x Enzymes capsules</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Vitamin D3 & K2</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1 cap Fish Oil</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">STATS</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Testosterone - 11.5 nmol/L [7.6 - 31.4] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">LOW-NORMAL</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Free Testosterone - *0.184 nmol/L [0.3 - 1.0] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ABNORMALLY LOW</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- SHBG - 46 nmol/L [16 - 55] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">HIGH-NORMAL</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Oestradiol - 50 pmol/L [0 - 191]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MID-RANGE</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">FSH - 4.2 IU/L [1.5 - 12.4]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">LH - 5.5 IU/L [1.7 - 8.6] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Prolactin - 151 mIU/L [86 - 324]</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">DHEA-S - 6.9 umol/L [0.44 - 13.4]</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">TSH 0.838 mIU/L [0.27 - 4.20] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">FREE THYROXINE 14.3 pmol/L [12.00 - 22.00] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">TOTAL THYROXINE(T4) 82.5nmol/ [59.00 - 154.00] </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">FREE T3 3.54 pmol/L [3.10 - 6.80] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODY 14.100 IU/mL [0.00 - 115.00] </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES 9.65 IU/mL [0.00 - 34.00]</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">HAEMATOLOGY</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">HAEMOGLOBIN (g/L) 141 g/L </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">130 - 170</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">HCT 0.419 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">0.37 - 0.50</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RED CELL COUNT 4.68 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^12/L 4.40 - 5.80</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MCV 89.5 fL </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">80 - 99</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MCH 30.1 pg </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">26.0 - 33.5</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MCHC (g/L) 337 g/L </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">300 - 350</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">RDW 12.6 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">11.5 - 15.0</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">PLATELET COUNT 272 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 150 - 400</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MPV 9.9 fL </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">7 - 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">WHITE CELL COUNT 5.94 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 3.0 - 10.0</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Neutrophils 63.8% 3.79 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 2.0 - 7.5</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Lymphocytes 25.3% 1.50 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 1.2 - 3.65</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Monocytes 8.9% 0.53 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 0.2 - 1.0</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Eosinophils 1.7% 0.10 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 0.0 - 0.4</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Basophils 0.3% 0.02 </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">x10^9/L 0.0 - 0.1</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ESR 10 mm/hr </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1 - 10</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">BIOCHEMISTRY</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">URIC ACID 399 umol/L </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">266 - 474</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">C Reactive protein 0.6 mg/L </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><5.0</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Rheumatoid Factor Turbidimetry <10.0 IU/mL <14.0</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">AM body temperature: 36.1 Celsius (96.98 Fahrenheit)</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(NB. I have noticed a marked decrease in my ability to handle my morning cold shower, which I have practised since 2011. I now get a chill afterwards)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Symptoms </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- ED and lack of libido (both sex and masturbation). Since 2013 with increasing severity</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- No Morning Wood. Flatline since 2015</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Episodes of Depression. Since 2012, with increasing frequency & severity </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Low Normal T-Levels and low energy. Since mid 2017</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Private UK Andrologist Consultation & Suggestions:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1) Urologist Scan</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2) Therapeutic trial prescription of my choice of one of the following:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- HCG </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Clomid </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- Testosterone Spray </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">3) Separate psychiatric treatment in conjunction with T treatment</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Concerns</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- He did not ask for my Thyroid stats. My understanding was that Thyroid levels should be a first port of call, at least to check, before prescribing a T treatment?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- He claimed I would have no need for an Aromatase Inhibitor with Clomid / HCG - "</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>because you are not overweight</em></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">". Surely either treatment could have a potent Estrogen boosting effect nonetheless?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">- He was only interested in follow up checks of Blood Count & Total Testosterone levels. He did not believe that there was any need for tracking Estrogen or SHBG, for example. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I had imagined that there would be, particularly as I have higher levels of SHBG already, and therefore abnormally low Free T levels?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Questions:</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1) Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Clomid or HCG would be an appropriate treatment, considering my age and stats provided? </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2) Are there any other diagnostic tests I should run in order to find a potential causal factor?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Thank you in advance!</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="penguinwoolf, post: 78523, member: 16323"] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Hi all,[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I hope this thread may develop into something of value for the members of this forum.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I will soon have a follow up meeting with a Private Andrologist to decide whether I will move forward with Clomid or HCG Treatment. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I would greatly appreciate any member feedback to help make my decision! [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Background info[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Age - 26[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Weight - 67kg[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Height - 5 foot 10[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Bodyfat - approx 15%[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Body & Facial Hair[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Modest amount on arms, legs & chest[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No back hair[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Thick head of hair[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Ability to grow a (somewhat whispy) beard [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Health Conditions[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Dyspesia // Gastritis on and off since 2010. Most severe symptoms abated since cutting alcohol and improving diet & supplementation [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Diet:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No alcohol since 2012[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No smoking since adolescence [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No recreational drugs[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No junk or processed foods consumed for a number of years[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No Gluten, Dairy and Soy since 2016[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Consume a balanced diet of wholefoods, organic where possible. A typical meal would be: Fish / Meat, Green vegetables, Starchy vegetables and Fruit[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Experimented with Intermittent Fasting since 2016[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Nutritional Deficiencies:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Vitamin B12 (minor)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Iron (minor)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Supplementation:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1 tsp Collagen[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1-2 caps Turmeric[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]12mg Iron[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Vitamin B12[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1-2x Probiotics capsules[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]2x Enzymes capsules[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Vitamin D3 & K2[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1 cap Fish Oil[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]STATS[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Testosterone - 11.5 nmol/L [7.6 - 31.4] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]LOW-NORMAL[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Free Testosterone - *0.184 nmol/L [0.3 - 1.0] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]ABNORMALLY LOW[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- SHBG - 46 nmol/L [16 - 55] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]HIGH-NORMAL[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Oestradiol - 50 pmol/L [0 - 191][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]MID-RANGE[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]FSH - 4.2 IU/L [1.5 - 12.4][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]LH - 5.5 IU/L [1.7 - 8.6] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Prolactin - 151 mIU/L [86 - 324][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]DHEA-S - 6.9 umol/L [0.44 - 13.4][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]TSH 0.838 mIU/L [0.27 - 4.20] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]FREE THYROXINE 14.3 pmol/L [12.00 - 22.00] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]TOTAL THYROXINE(T4) 82.5nmol/ [59.00 - 154.00] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]FREE T3 3.54 pmol/L [3.10 - 6.80] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODY 14.100 IU/mL [0.00 - 115.00] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES 9.65 IU/mL [0.00 - 34.00][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]HAEMATOLOGY[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]HAEMOGLOBIN (g/L) 141 g/L [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]130 - 170[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]HCT 0.419 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]0.37 - 0.50[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]RED CELL COUNT 4.68 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^12/L 4.40 - 5.80[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]MCV 89.5 fL [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]80 - 99[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]MCH 30.1 pg [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]26.0 - 33.5[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]MCHC (g/L) 337 g/L [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]300 - 350[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]RDW 12.6 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]11.5 - 15.0[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]PLATELET COUNT 272 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 150 - 400[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]MPV 9.9 fL [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]7 - 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]WHITE CELL COUNT 5.94 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 3.0 - 10.0[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Neutrophils 63.8% 3.79 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 2.0 - 7.5[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Lymphocytes 25.3% 1.50 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 1.2 - 3.65[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Monocytes 8.9% 0.53 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 0.2 - 1.0[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Eosinophils 1.7% 0.10 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 0.0 - 0.4[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Basophils 0.3% 0.02 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]x10^9/L 0.0 - 0.1[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]ESR 10 mm/hr [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1 - 10[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]BIOCHEMISTRY[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]URIC ACID 399 umol/L [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]266 - 474[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]C Reactive protein 0.6 mg/L [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]<5.0[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Rheumatoid Factor Turbidimetry <10.0 IU/mL <14.0[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]AM body temperature: 36.1 Celsius (96.98 Fahrenheit)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial](NB. I have noticed a marked decrease in my ability to handle my morning cold shower, which I have practised since 2011. I now get a chill afterwards)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Symptoms [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- ED and lack of libido (both sex and masturbation). Since 2013 with increasing severity[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- No Morning Wood. Flatline since 2015[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Episodes of Depression. Since 2012, with increasing frequency & severity [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Low Normal T-Levels and low energy. Since mid 2017[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Private UK Andrologist Consultation & Suggestions:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1) Urologist Scan[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]2) Therapeutic trial prescription of my choice of one of the following:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- HCG [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Clomid [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- Testosterone Spray [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]3) Separate psychiatric treatment in conjunction with T treatment[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Concerns[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- He did not ask for my Thyroid stats. My understanding was that Thyroid levels should be a first port of call, at least to check, before prescribing a T treatment?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- He claimed I would have no need for an Aromatase Inhibitor with Clomid / HCG - "[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][I]because you are not overweight[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]". Surely either treatment could have a potent Estrogen boosting effect nonetheless?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]- He was only interested in follow up checks of Blood Count & Total Testosterone levels. He did not believe that there was any need for tracking Estrogen or SHBG, for example. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I had imagined that there would be, particularly as I have higher levels of SHBG already, and therefore abnormally low Free T levels?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Questions:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1) Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether Clomid or HCG would be an appropriate treatment, considering my age and stats provided? [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]2) Are there any other diagnostic tests I should run in order to find a potential causal factor?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Thank you in advance![/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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