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1 year HRT and just started with injection - Troubleshooting
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<blockquote data-quote="new_man" data-source="post: 45242" data-attributes="member: 12704"><p>Hello all,</p><p></p><p>I am very thankful I could join this community and it is great to see how everybody helps each other!</p><p>About me:</p><p>I am 30 years old and got low testosterone since a few years. 1 y ago a special doc (who should know HRT very well) put me on Testosterone. That's when the bad ride started. It started all with 1 testogel per day. In the beginning I was in the morning awake and it felt better, but after 1 months this effect was gone and I felt almost the same. I guess my own production was shutting down, the good effect wasn't there. After 2 months the doc put me on HCG mono (twice per week 1500iu). In the beginning this was great but after 1-2 weeks this was too much for my body and everytime after the shot I was getting tired. My Testosterone levels didn't shoot more than 700 (range 300-1100), and all the other values were according to my doc in range. So the doc told me to take 2 testogel per day. I did that for 3 months and I felt really good and strong and things become every week better. My depression just vanished, lol. I was a different, better man and I started to handle girls so well, I felt like a man. Only problem was for me that I had the urge to pee in the morning and it felt a bit strange (prostata), but since the other effects were so great I just enjoyed the ride. I wanted to be sure to do nothing wrong so I went to the doc to test my values. Testosterone was over 1500, DHT was 4 times as high as the upper range and fT was very high too. All the other values are in range. So the doc told me I shouldn't take anything and wait till the values are down. 1-2 weeks later the values were all very down and I felt really really bad! Because of some more tests they wanted me to stay off. I felt so bad that life was every hour a pain. After 7 weeks without anything I started with 1 testogel again until for 14 days ago. </p><p></p><p>When I was off testosterone one thing that helped me a lot was 5 mg of pregnenolone and 5 mg of dhea - transdermal. It was just a small amount but I felt better. But still I felt not good.</p><p></p><p>14 days ago I started with my new doc testosterone injection. The plan was E5D Testosterone Enanthate 80 mg injection. Here is my experience:</p><p>Day before injection 1 => in the evening I took 1 testogel</p><p>Day 1 in the afternoon => 80 mg Injected. I felt good in the evening</p><p>Day 2-3 => I felt good</p><p>Day 4-6 (without the new Injection) => I felt not so good anymore.</p><p>Day 6 Injection in the afternoon. 80 mg</p><p>Day 7 => I felt moody</p><p>Day 8-10 => I felt very moody and felt not great, I felt even leaner (like metabolism is fast) and I didn't sleep that well but my head was more or less clear. But I was worrying about all kind of things and I had the feeling I couldn't manage things in my life. I was scared and worried about things I wouldn't usually. Coz I didn't sleep a lot and metabolism was fast I had the feeling that Testosterone was high. But since I worry so much and feel not great I could imagine that something else isn't right.</p><p><strong>Day 11 => I woke up and was allright. Today injection 3. I felt so bad all day long and I had anxiety. My balls got bigger. Why this? I sweat, I have warm and could take of my tshirt quite often. And I am not hungry like I used to be. In the evening I took the third shot. Then thing improved and I could sleep preety good.</strong></p><p><strong>Day 12 => I woke up and I felt way better, I was happy that I didn't stop anything and that I continued. After 2:00 pm I was getting tired, was getting hot, sweaty and had no energy. I wasn't hungry at all. </strong></p><p></p><p>Bytheway: E2 was all the time very stable and even when I took 2 testogel the E2 was in range.</p><p></p><p>Testing the values after 4-5 weeks after starting with injection 1. But I would like to adjust to feel better since I'm so moody. Any suggestions? What I plan with my doc is going from E5D to E4D, that I don't think that would solve the prob. I know, I should wait for the next test, but it doesn't feel good yet, so I wonder what could be wrong?</p><p></p><p>Thank you so much for your thoughts!</p><p></p><p>-- UPDATE --</p><p></p><p><strong>HISTORY</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Before HRT (Test August 15)</strong></p><p>SHBG 30 nmol/l</p><p>T 7.8 nmol/l</p><p>fT 22 pmol/l</p><p>DHEAs 6.1 umol/l</p><p>DHT 0.8 nmol/l</p><p></p><p>After that I started with one Testogel per day. I felt a little better in the beginning, but the effect was gone after 2-3 weeks (i guess my own production stopped and levels droped a bit - that's my theory). I told this the doc and he changed the protocol to mono HCG. </p><p></p><p><strong>On mono HCG (December 2015)</strong></p><p>E2 145 pmol/l</p><p>T 23 nmol/l</p><p>fT 88 pmol/l</p><p>DHT 0.9 nmol/l</p><p>Prog 2 ng/ml</p><p>IGF-1 43 nmol/l</p><p>I told my doctor that this makes me really tired and I gain weight like crazy. In 6 weeks I gained like 6 pounds. I had no energy at all. Doc told me to take 2 Testogel per day.</p><p></p><p><strong>2 Testogel per day (March 2016)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>OMG. My sex drive was awesome and my confidence was brilliant. Sometimes I was just walking around feeling happy - something that I haven't felt since a long time. Everything was getting better. I did it 2 months and then I asked the doc to do some testing because I wanted to know what my magic numbers were. Here the result:</p><p>E2 135 pmol/l</p><p>SHBG 29 nmol/l</p><p>T > 52 nmol/l</p><p>fT > 340 pmol/l</p><p>DHEAs 6.4 umol/l</p><p>DHT 10 nmol/l (DANGEROUS)</p><p></p><p>Because of those high values, the doc let me crash big times.</p><p>Because of some other doctors I started with 5 mg of Pregnenolone and 5 mg DHEA transdermal. I felt in my head better and anxiety was better too. I could live with that but energy and so on was still very bad. After 2 months I started again with 1 Testogel...</p><p></p><p><strong>1 Testogel (June 2016)</strong></p><p>E2: 96 pmol/l</p><p>Progesterone 1.5 nmol/l</p><p>17-OH-Progesterone 1.1 nmol/l (whats the difference between those two progesterone - which is the right one?)</p><p>shbg: 27.2nmol/l</p><p>testosterone 10.4 nmol/l</p><p>ft 17.4 pmol/l</p><p>DHT: 558 pg/ml</p><p>DHEAs: 5.7 umol/l (special letter u)</p><p>Pregnenolonsulfat: 56 ug/l (special letter u)</p><p>I was tired, low energy, low libido, brain fog.. but better than nothing.</p><p></p><p><strong>NOW</strong></p><p></p><p>I take E5D 80 mg Enanthate - I just had yesterday the third shot. Besides that DHEA and Pregnenolone 5 mg each.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="new_man, post: 45242, member: 12704"] Hello all, I am very thankful I could join this community and it is great to see how everybody helps each other! About me: I am 30 years old and got low testosterone since a few years. 1 y ago a special doc (who should know HRT very well) put me on Testosterone. That's when the bad ride started. It started all with 1 testogel per day. In the beginning I was in the morning awake and it felt better, but after 1 months this effect was gone and I felt almost the same. I guess my own production was shutting down, the good effect wasn't there. After 2 months the doc put me on HCG mono (twice per week 1500iu). In the beginning this was great but after 1-2 weeks this was too much for my body and everytime after the shot I was getting tired. My Testosterone levels didn't shoot more than 700 (range 300-1100), and all the other values were according to my doc in range. So the doc told me to take 2 testogel per day. I did that for 3 months and I felt really good and strong and things become every week better. My depression just vanished, lol. I was a different, better man and I started to handle girls so well, I felt like a man. Only problem was for me that I had the urge to pee in the morning and it felt a bit strange (prostata), but since the other effects were so great I just enjoyed the ride. I wanted to be sure to do nothing wrong so I went to the doc to test my values. Testosterone was over 1500, DHT was 4 times as high as the upper range and fT was very high too. All the other values are in range. So the doc told me I shouldn't take anything and wait till the values are down. 1-2 weeks later the values were all very down and I felt really really bad! Because of some more tests they wanted me to stay off. I felt so bad that life was every hour a pain. After 7 weeks without anything I started with 1 testogel again until for 14 days ago. When I was off testosterone one thing that helped me a lot was 5 mg of pregnenolone and 5 mg of dhea - transdermal. It was just a small amount but I felt better. But still I felt not good. 14 days ago I started with my new doc testosterone injection. The plan was E5D Testosterone Enanthate 80 mg injection. Here is my experience: Day before injection 1 => in the evening I took 1 testogel Day 1 in the afternoon => 80 mg Injected. I felt good in the evening Day 2-3 => I felt good Day 4-6 (without the new Injection) => I felt not so good anymore. Day 6 Injection in the afternoon. 80 mg Day 7 => I felt moody Day 8-10 => I felt very moody and felt not great, I felt even leaner (like metabolism is fast) and I didn't sleep that well but my head was more or less clear. But I was worrying about all kind of things and I had the feeling I couldn't manage things in my life. I was scared and worried about things I wouldn't usually. Coz I didn't sleep a lot and metabolism was fast I had the feeling that Testosterone was high. But since I worry so much and feel not great I could imagine that something else isn't right. [B]Day 11 => I woke up and was allright. Today injection 3. I felt so bad all day long and I had anxiety. My balls got bigger. Why this? I sweat, I have warm and could take of my tshirt quite often. And I am not hungry like I used to be. In the evening I took the third shot. Then thing improved and I could sleep preety good. Day 12 => I woke up and I felt way better, I was happy that I didn't stop anything and that I continued. After 2:00 pm I was getting tired, was getting hot, sweaty and had no energy. I wasn't hungry at all. [/B] Bytheway: E2 was all the time very stable and even when I took 2 testogel the E2 was in range. Testing the values after 4-5 weeks after starting with injection 1. But I would like to adjust to feel better since I'm so moody. Any suggestions? What I plan with my doc is going from E5D to E4D, that I don't think that would solve the prob. I know, I should wait for the next test, but it doesn't feel good yet, so I wonder what could be wrong? Thank you so much for your thoughts! -- UPDATE -- [B]HISTORY [/B] [B]Before HRT (Test August 15)[/B] SHBG 30 nmol/l T 7.8 nmol/l fT 22 pmol/l DHEAs 6.1 umol/l DHT 0.8 nmol/l After that I started with one Testogel per day. I felt a little better in the beginning, but the effect was gone after 2-3 weeks (i guess my own production stopped and levels droped a bit - that's my theory). I told this the doc and he changed the protocol to mono HCG. [B]On mono HCG (December 2015)[/B] E2 145 pmol/l T 23 nmol/l fT 88 pmol/l DHT 0.9 nmol/l Prog 2 ng/ml IGF-1 43 nmol/l I told my doctor that this makes me really tired and I gain weight like crazy. In 6 weeks I gained like 6 pounds. I had no energy at all. Doc told me to take 2 Testogel per day. [B]2 Testogel per day (March 2016) [/B]OMG. My sex drive was awesome and my confidence was brilliant. Sometimes I was just walking around feeling happy - something that I haven't felt since a long time. Everything was getting better. I did it 2 months and then I asked the doc to do some testing because I wanted to know what my magic numbers were. Here the result: E2 135 pmol/l SHBG 29 nmol/l T > 52 nmol/l fT > 340 pmol/l DHEAs 6.4 umol/l DHT 10 nmol/l (DANGEROUS) Because of those high values, the doc let me crash big times. Because of some other doctors I started with 5 mg of Pregnenolone and 5 mg DHEA transdermal. I felt in my head better and anxiety was better too. I could live with that but energy and so on was still very bad. After 2 months I started again with 1 Testogel... [B]1 Testogel (June 2016)[/B] E2: 96 pmol/l Progesterone 1.5 nmol/l 17-OH-Progesterone 1.1 nmol/l (whats the difference between those two progesterone - which is the right one?) shbg: 27.2nmol/l testosterone 10.4 nmol/l ft 17.4 pmol/l DHT: 558 pg/ml DHEAs: 5.7 umol/l (special letter u) Pregnenolonsulfat: 56 ug/l (special letter u) I was tired, low energy, low libido, brain fog.. but better than nothing. [B]NOW[/B] I take E5D 80 mg Enanthate - I just had yesterday the third shot. Besides that DHEA and Pregnenolone 5 mg each. [/QUOTE]
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